why are some gun owners biased against foreign guns?

[WhiteShadow]

Originally Posted by etep513

Well that's what it means to be a true Christian. With Christianity, life doesn't revolve round you, it revolves around God. Why should an unborn child be killed for an event (rape) that was not his/her fault....

I don't pick and choose what I want to follow. I embrace all of the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

You make me sick.




"I used to believe in god, until I reached the age of reason." - George Carlin

[Mity2]

Originally Posted by BTA88

American workers in California? LOL! Atleast with Ford, the money floats back into the US. Toyota, the pittance gets paid to the workers here, but most goes right back to Japan.

My dad was one of handful of peeps that got the whole joint venture, called NUMMI(New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc - Where Toyota AND GM manufactured some of their cars - It was joint venture between Toyota and GM. NUMMI helped change GM by introducing the Toyota Production System and a teamwork-based working environment to increase GM's overall quality) thing going back in the '84.
But I don't remenber seeing any american working there when I visited him there in early 90's.
I remenber mostly Mexican, Chinese and korians that ran that plant...

[jmiro]

To the OP. You apparently do not know anyone that has been raped or has been a product of a rape.

As for stem research begin unethical. I think this thread has provided a solid base for the reasoning of whose ethics you chose to follow.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by NineseveN

IMHO, it's based on the fact that even as bad as we've allowed it to get, we're still a society of liberty more than anywhere else in the world.

That's the fact, Jack.


As bad as it is getting around here, it is only so due to the fact that we have always expected a certain level of freedom, and have become spoiled by it. This country is still lightyears ahead of anywhere else in respect to the everyday freedoms enjoyed by its people.

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by etep513

Stem cell research is unethical, that's why.

Hopefully you'll never need its benefits...

Stem cell research for the development of new medical solutions is one of my favorite areas of science and technology. It's awesome. Jesus loves it too...

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by etep513

I don't agree with everything that Obama supports (abortion, gay marriage, increased secularism, stem cell research, etc). But I certainly agree with him about progressive taxation.

so you believe in the government forcing your religious views on everyone else while simultaneously stealing our money to redistribute it to people who did not earn it, eh?

you have pretty much taken the worst of the "right" and combined it with the worst of the "left".

no thanks.

personally, i believe in the ideals outlined in the declaration of independence (the whole inalienable right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness thing) and the constitution (limited government).

I mean "you people" as in all of you who oppose helping the poor and disadvantaged of American society. If you were charitable, then you would not be hostile to progressive taxation that would be used to help less fortunate individuals.

charitable people *voluntarily give* to help others. government run extortion (i.e., your "progressive" taxation scheme) is not chartity...it is theft.

The rest of society is obligated to help since my brother became autistic after receiving an MMR vaccine.

you seem to be implying causation...the scientific community strongly disputes your view here.

btw, if the government didn't steal so much of our money, more of us would have more money to donate to charities--including those that support care for people with autism.

Also, if you read the Old Testament, you would know that Hebrew law required field owners to leave part of their harvest behind for the poor. By your standards, were the Israelites also marxists since the government forced people to be charitable?

1. please respect my right to be free from your religion. if you do not, we will clash.

2. there is actually a strong element of communal thinking in portions of jewish culture. yeshivas and kibbutzes, for example, are quite communal in nature. that's fine...nobody is forced to join a yeshiva or kibbutz...but they are what they are. when the government forces, it, though it becaomes something theft. doesn't one of your hallowed ten commandments mention something about not "stealing"?

As a matter of fact, I'm in college right now (Bloomsburg) and I'm studying criminal justice.

oh boy...that's scary. if you become an LEO or end up in some other position of authority, please remember, that, as much as it may disgust you, america is a free country. you do not have the right to force your morality on others. you do not have right redistribute what they have earned for themselves.

When I was talking about foreign guns (before the discussion went off topic), I recalled one of the lessons that I learned in my high school AP economics course. The text book explicitly stated that greater economic efficiency is achieve if nations specialize in the production of goods (and trade with each other) instead of having each nation trying to produce everything it needs by itself.

that is true. specialization leads to greater efficiency. but it also leads to dependence. there is a balance to walk there. while i am a great proponent of free global markets, ignoring the effects of becoming less self-sufficient as a nation could lead to catastrophe.

I actually know some people who are HARDCORE SOCIALISTS. You people are claiming that I'm a hardcore socialist, when in reality you don't know what socialism is. A true socialist would be advocating for government controlled businesses (not just government regulated businesses), separation of religion and politics (far beyond separation of church and state), stem cell research, easy access to abortions, gay marriage, the suppression of religion, and progressive taxation that is so extreme that businesses cannot function.

actually, it sounds like you do not know the difference between socialism and communism.

it also sounds like you fail to differentiate between economic policy and social policy...and economic systems vs. political systems.

[goofin]

Guns from foreign places are more likely to have been used to kill some people's grandpas or daddy's.

As opposed to guns made and sold here that could have killed some ones mom, aunt, brother or sister?

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by Mity2

My dad was one of handful of peeps that got the whole joint venture, called NUMMI(New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc - Where Toyota AND GM manufactured some of their cars - It was joint venture between Toyota and GM. NUMMI helped change GM by introducing the Toyota Production System and a teamwork-based working environment to increase GM's overall quality) thing going back in the '84.
But I don't remenber seeing any american working there when I visited him there in early 90's.
I remenber mostly Mexican, Chinese and korians that ran that plant...

just to make sure i understand you correctly...you are saying there are no (or few) americans working in NUMMI?

(you do realize, there are many americans of mexican and asian descent--particularly in california--right?)

[Mity2]

Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota

just to make sure i understand you correctly...you are saying there are no (or few) americans working in NUMMI?

(you do realize, there are many americans of mexican and asian descent--particularly in california--right?)

Guess your got me, and your right

I should have said most workers we saw that day working there were latino and asians who could verywell been a US citizen.

I stand corrected...

[etep513]

Originally Posted by 7998

Oh wow, just WOW! I read this on a fortune cookie once but can't remember exactly how it goes.

It starts off "He who agrues with a.............".

I know people who are moderate, left leaning, right leaning, very liberal and conservetive. But I never seen the same person on both extreme ends.

Each party (Republican and Democrat) has only half of the truth. Anyone who reads the Bible and follows Christianity will make that realization. I chose to embrace the good aspects of each party and reject the bad aspects.

Originally Posted by JoeWilliams

The correct translation from the Hebrew is "You shall not murder." This is DRASTICALLY different from "You shall not kill." And the difference is vital to Christians who believe with have a duty to defend ourselves and our families.

What you say is true. The purpose of that commandment was so that people would not kill each other for no reason at all. Self defense is another story.

Originally Posted by BTA88

Just a little disclaimer, I'm not the type to go around telling people to GTFO my country, but here we go.


Wow...Socialist viewpoint. Not cool, man. Seriously, people who want "economic equality" or a European model need to go to Europe and stop tearing down The Greatest Country In The World (IMNSHO) and trying to ruin it for the rest of us. There are plenty of countries where you can be just as poor as everyone else, this country doesn't need that. Hell, at that, even the poorest of our poor are not very bad off in this country.

If people agreed with you, then there would have been a mass exodus of Obama supporters to Europe. However, the left won the election.

Originally Posted by captaincrunch

embryonic stem cell research might be unethical but other types are not. I hope you understand the difference but I'd guess you are so brainwashed by the catholic church that you dont see the difference.

luckily we are not all christians, and some of us think that we should not punish a women for an event (rape) that was not her fault by forcing her to have a child does not want.

I do understand the difference between STR and other types of cellular research. But some members of the scientific community specifically want STR.

Originally Posted by unloved

Excuse me? Please provide proof, hell even some evidence would do, in support of your assertion. Here, let me state it baldly. Vaccination causes autism.
Good thing you don't get to decide what I'm obligated to do.

The issue involves MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccine. Many parents all across the country reported that their children started displaying symptoms of autism within hours and days of receiving the MMR vaccination. If you want to learn more about the topic, then check this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...autism+vaccine

It's interesting to note that when nuclear weapons were tested on American soil, the government denied the harmfulness of radioactive fall out.

Originally Posted by marinville

The OP should be glad he lives in America where he has the right to express his many horrendous opinions.

I would express God's word regardless of where I lived. You people don't realize that Christianity is about enormous personal sacrifices. By calling yourself a Christian, you are saying that you will follow God even if people threaten to torture you, cut you up into shreds, and do the same to your family. Abortion is wrong because you are destroying an unborn child. Even if the child was the product of rape, that child should not be deprived of a chance to live.