why are some gun owners biased against foreign guns?

[GTI19403]

The main reason why I'm not leaving is that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Many other people also feel that there are problems with America and that's how Obama got elected. I don't agree with everything that Obama supports (abortion, gay marriage, increased secularism, stem cell research, etc). But I certainly agree with him about progressive taxation.

You had me until this whole group of statements. Abortion is legal and a needed service. look at how many unwanted kids are born to ill equipped parents. As a method of birth control it wouldn't be my choice, but how about if a loved one of yours was raped??

Gay marriage??? who really cares if gay people want to marry? Why shouldn't they have the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else?

Stem cell research??? you have a family member with autisim...you wouldn't be interested in a cure for him?

Progressive taxation??? you mean income leveling??? I've heard a lot of liberals saying that this is a great idea until it comes to them. Look at Hollywood which is i'd guess a liberal majority and should be a huge tax base.
Why then is California on the verge of bankruptcy??

I try and buy american when i can but as the point was made earlier, It next to impossible to but american electronics. I have a German car, A Japanese car and a motorcycle made in Italy. My gun collection is mostly american.
4 rugers,1 colt,1 winchester,1 marlin,1 bushmaster,2 sigs and 1 browning

[Warpt762x39]

Originally Posted by Asterix909

As for the XD argument I couldn't agree more, the XD is a well made Croatian design, but is it actually made in Croatia? Or is it licensed and manufactured in the US? It was always my understanding it was imported but I don't know if I ever actually based that on fact or speculation...

The XD is made in Croatia. I know it says so on the XD(M) so I would assume it's also on the regular XDs as well.

Check the grip.

[Warpt762x39]

Originally Posted by GTI19403

I try and buy american when i can but as the point was made earlier, It next to impossible to but american electronics. I have a German car, A Japanese car and a motorcycle made in Italy. My gun collection is mostly american.
4 rugers,1 colt,1 winchester,1 marlin,1 bushmaster,2 sigs and 1 browning

My 1979 Honda CR125R was built in America. Well assembled in America.

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by Warpt762x39

The XD is made in Croatia. I know it says so on the XD(M) so I would assume it's also on the regular XDs as well.

Check the grip.

I'm looking at my XD40 now. The one I have, bought in 2004/5 just says basically product of Croatia on the Springfield seal on top of the slide. No markings on the grip other than "SA*XD".

[etep513]

Originally Posted by Paradigm

I thought I smelled an aroma of smug, know-it-all-ism that only an undergrad college student can deliver! (Apologies to undergrads who actually focus on learning from instead of "teaching" everyone they meet.)

I'm telling you, you have yet to see how hard left some people really are on college campuses.

Originally Posted by ErSwnn

Myself, I tend to seek American made products merely to support our own before I support citizens of other countries. Sure, there are plenty of times when a foreign product is superior and I buy it. But I'm willing to pay a bit more for equal products if one is made in America. I do typically check for country of origin when I shop. I do my best to avoid anything Chinese and will forgo something if I don't really need it. I have a particular issue with China as a trade country. We are being flooded with their junk, losing jobs to them and are now indebted for decades to them. The crap we buy from them can just as easily be manufactured here. Now while I have no problems with the people of China I do have one with their government. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe the Communists of the world still have an agenda of world dominance and the current economic imbalance with them is exactly what they planned. For them the fodder of human life is the current ammunition. They have no compunction to enslave workers for the benefit of the state. Hundreds of millions are working for mere survival wages. They will die off and the next generation will take their places. This will be done until the rest of the world is so run down that changes to forms of government is easily manipulated. They're going to win the war without a shot fired. Yeah, maybe I sound paranoid....hell, maybe I am...but I just don't trust them one iota and I think we should remain very vigilant against them. As individuals I feel we should avoid their products as best we can.

I would also avoid Chinese products, but only because some of them may contain harmful chemicals. First it was dog food, then toys, and afterward infant formula.

Originally Posted by ScaredOnce

Recently, the track record has proven, at least personally, that buying so-called "American" is a poor move. American manufacturing quality is a joke. Just as many of us are familiar with the kool-aid of main stream media, we also tend to "eat up" the nostalgia and rest on the laurels of the years when this country was a manufacturing and industrial mega-source. The US is not that anymore. We are just happy to ignore that. Asia is not ignoring that.

Right on, LRT... Unfortunately, too true...

And also, before we all fully pile onto the poor undergrad college hippie, let's just pause for a moment. (By the way I've never heard of Bloomsburry University, so that's not good. Consider transferring. But, I digress.) Those college students are truly the leaders of tomorrow. Also, I don't feel his initial statement on macroeconomic success trends is that far off base. It surely isn't liberal professor propaganda. Ever heard of a "jack of all trades, master of none?" A successful business knows when to outsource and when to engage projects which fall within that org's core competencies.

College hippie? I'm too religious and too socially conservative to be a hippie. There are some people on campus who are truly hard-left. There are some people who swear that Bush was an international terrorist who started the Iraq war for oil. Others want to legalize marijuana. There are also students who want to have easy access to abortions. "Gay marriage" is also on the agenda of many hardcore college leftists. In extreme cases, there are some (I've never met them in person) who feel that the 2nd amendment is archaic and should be repealed. I support none of those things (especially not the last one since I'm on this forum). I just feel that the government should do more to combat poverty. I think it's ridiculous that some people who posted here classify a socialist as anyone who isn't as economically conservative as they are. BTW, it's called Bloomsburg, not bloomsbury:

http://collegesearch.collegeboard.co...collegeId=1221

Of course my statement about international trade wasn't left wing propaganda. My high school ap economics teacher was a conservative (economically).

[etep513]

Originally Posted by GTI19403

The main reason why I'm not leaving is that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Many other people also feel that there are problems with America and that's how Obama got elected. I don't agree with everything that Obama supports (abortion, gay marriage, increased secularism, stem cell research, etc). But I certainly agree with him about progressive taxation.

You had me until this whole group of statements. Abortion is legal and a needed service. look at how many unwanted kids are born to ill equipped parents. As a method of birth control it wouldn't be my choice, but how about if a loved one of yours was raped??

Gay marriage??? who really cares if gay people want to marry? Why shouldn't they have the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else?

Stem cell research??? you have a family member with autisim...you wouldn't be interested in a cure for him?

Progressive taxation??? you mean income leveling??? I've heard a lot of liberals saying that this is a great idea until it comes to them. Look at Hollywood which is i'd guess a liberal majority and should be a huge tax base.
Why then is California on the verge of bankruptcy??

I try and buy american when i can but as the point was made earlier, It next to impossible to but american electronics. I have a German car, A Japanese car and a motorcycle made in Italy. My gun collection is mostly american.
4 rugers,1 colt,1 winchester,1 marlin,1 bushmaster,2 sigs and 1 browning

It doesn't matter if a woman is raped. It is her god-given obligation to give birth to that child. Gay people shouldn't be married because marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman by the bible. Autism is a neurological disorder. Stem cell research is useful if tissue has been damaged permanently (ie, a spinal cord injury). Stem cells can be used to regrow that damaged tissue. It would do nothing to help my brother. California is on the verge of bankruptcy because lawmakers cannot restrain their spending.

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by etep513

College hippie? I'm too religious and too socially conservative to be a hippie. There are some people on campus who are truly hard-left. There are some people who swear that Bush was an international terrorist who started the Iraq war for oil. Others want to legalize marijuana. There are also students who want to have easy access to abortions. "Gay marriage" is also on the agenda of many hardcore college leftists. In extreme cases, there are some (I've never met them in person) who feel that the 2nd amendment is archaic and should be repealed. I support none of those things (especially not the last one since I'm on this forum). I just feel that the government should do more to combat poverty. I think it's ridiculous that some people who posted here classify a socialist as anyone who isn't as economically conservative as they are. BTW, it's called Bloomsburg, not bloomsbury:

http://collegesearch.collegeboard.co...collegeId=1221

Of course my statement about international trade wasn't left wing propaganda. My high school ap economics teacher was a conservative (economically).

Easy, killer... I was on your side, I think. My reference to you as the "college hippie" was intended as tongue-in-cheek. I supported your theory that socioeconomic isolationism is neither possible nor plausible at this point in our nations existence - assuming success is still the intended goal. Further, I broached the idea that ideals possessed by persons such as you are underrated in value when we consider the popular views of the future.

Sry, I became confused with Bloomsburry vs. Bloomsburg; neither are on my radar. Hell, I don't even follow my own alma mater and I'm not that many years your senior. But, I found my old school on CollegeSearch.com too... Ahh the good old days being a Chem Eng undergrad. Bastards even got me coming back doing the MBA thing at Tepper... http://collegesearch.collegeboard.co...93&profileId=0 That's Mellon with two "L"s...

[WhiteShadow]

One of my favorite and most trusted firearm manufacturers isnt an American company, but they are supposedly made in America....and thats Sig Sauer. All the "Made In America" bullshit goes right out the door once you've put a couple thousand rounds through the gun, without a single problem.

I will add that, personally, in my opinion, where a gun is made doesnt mean shit as long as the gun performs flawlessly. I could care less if the gun was made in Iraq by a bunch of 8 year olds, as long as that motherfucker doesnt have any FTF's, FTE's, or misfires, i'll more than likely buy the gun.

On the flip side of the coin, i will say that i absolutely love my Ruger P95, and supposedly its engineered, designed, built, all in the US of A. I have to to admit i do feel a slight sense of pride knowing that the firearm i'm holding was made in America.

Also, as some others have said, usually when dealing with American made guns, the customer service is usually better than a foreign made gun, so thats another perk.

Bottom line: If the gun is reliable, i dont give a flying fuck where it was made.

[captaincrunch]

Originally Posted by etep513

It doesn't matter if a woman is raped. It is her god-given obligation to give birth to that child. Gay people shouldn't be married because marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman by the bible. Autism is a neurological disorder. Stem cell research is useful if tissue has been damaged permanently (ie, a spinal cord injury). Stem cells can be used to regrow that damaged tissue. It would do nothing to help my brother. California is on the verge of bankruptcy because lawmakers cannot restrain their spending.

Bolded is total BS. That is a sickening statement to me.

From your response about stem cells, you dont care about them because they won't help your brother or is that a religious thing too?

[WhiteShadow]

Originally Posted by etep513

It doesn't matter if a woman is raped. It is her god-given obligation to give birth to that child.....

Gay people shouldn't be married because marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman by the bible.

Wow, i agree with Captaincrunch, this is total bullshit. I have nothing but negative things to say about these two comments, so i'll refrain from speaking on them at all, except to say that i think what you said is bullshit, and you are also full of shit.