why are some gun owners biased against foreign guns?

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by etep513

Jesus does not love it because people should not be messing with that.

Does too! (if you want to intelligently debate the morality stem-cell research, excluding cultivation methods - which would be another topic that is oh-so-hard for the religious to keep separate, start another thread. I don't think the activity of medical research on stem cells for what it is could offend too many.)

Originally Posted by etep513

I know all about economic systems and social systems. Someone with a hard left ideology will be a communist (in terms of economics) and a revolutionary (in terms of politics). Economically, you could say that I'm a democratic socialist. However, politically I am a hard-line Catholic reactionary. Here is the political party that most closely matches my views:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Polish_Families

Do you know any Europeans and have you ever discussed the LPR with them? I was pretty hammered yesterday when I was doing a great deal of posting, but I remembered some type of circular reasoning for why imitation of Europe was a good thing (in some ways it is, across the board - certainly not).

Anyway, my Turk friend passed the LPR off as "just another ultra-right-wing supremacy party with theocratic underpinning". The Brits never heard of it but didn't care about the LPR's opposition to joining the EU because they themselves are disenchanted with the idea of a continental union - certainly the Brits aren't trading in the GBPs for Euros and the EU Economic Commission anytime soon.

But, in short, if the LPR had enough backing to accomplish anything without a car bomb, a la IRA-style, then I'd care. Fortunately, they're not even a credible political nuisance at this point.

[etep513]

Originally Posted by ErSwnn

etep...I'm very glad you live in a country which allows you to believe as you do. I'm glad you are allowed to speak of your beliefs openly. But I do see at least one fallicy in your political/religious direction. This country is not run by the Bible. I can think of only one part of the Bible which should have any bearing and in it all the laws we need. The Ten Commandments. They cover everything. The only other off topic comment I have is I'm a flat taxer.

And that's what makes America bad. We need more than the 10 commandments to get by. In case you didn't realize, even in America, most standards of decency are based on the bible.

Originally Posted by GTI19403

I'm with u ErSwnn on the flat tax. A progressive tax does nothing positive for the community. It doesn't encourage people who make less to work harder if they know they'll pay more taxes. In the end having goverment investing in soo many businesses such as automotive and banking can never be good. goverment is the only thing that grows bigger but doesn't have to show a profit.

As far as all this chrisianity stuff, if it makes you live a better life good for you. I just don't need you or the goverment forcing your morality down my throat. I've been thru catholic school from k thru 12. I've seen the hypocritical ways of the catholic religion for myself. Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeWilliams
The correct translation from the Hebrew is "You shall not murder." This is DRASTICALLY different from "You shall not kill." And the difference is vital to Christians who believe with have a duty to defend ourselves and our families.

What you say is true. The purpose of that commandment was so that people would not kill each other for no reason at all. Self defense is another story.

I guess as long as you have a "good reason" it's AOK

I said it before and I will say it again. Progressive taxes help out a lot of struggling families who are living in poverty due to unfortunate circumstances. Yes, there are some people who exploit the system. But there are a lot of needy people (orphans, single mothers, disabled people, etc) who benefit from progressive taxation.

You think that Catholicism is only a means of controlling people. It's not. It's the path to salvation.

Also, there is nothing wrong with self defense. By not acting, you are indirectly responsible for the deaths of victims (who were harmed by a killer that you did not stop).

Originally Posted by captaincrunch

Parents reporting their children starting displaying autisic symptoms after receiving MMR vaccine is not proof of anything. I could go on for days about autism. I have a degree in neuroscience and just spent the last 2.5 years clinically researching vaccine as my job. But I'm just going to respond to your claim here, yes many parents have reported that but did you also know that when home videos of these children have been studied retrospectively autistic symptoms have been found to be present since birth...the parents just failed to notice them because they ...wait for it....are not medical professionals with education in developement disorders.

My brother was completely verbal before he received the MMR vaccine. Within a few days of receiving the MMR vaccine, he lost the ability to speak the words that he knew and he was basically living in his own alternate reality. Explain that to me. You have a degree in neuroscience, yet you ignore the fact that scientists still don't truly understand the human brain in its entirety.

Originally Posted by unloved

Anecdotal accounts are, most assuredly, not evidence. Let alone proof. Many parents all across the country report that their children are demonically possessed. They have no evidence to support their claims, therefore their claims may be dismissed. Many people claim to have been abducted by extra terrestrial beings. Again, no evidence, so...

It's interesting to note that many millions of people in the U.S.(myself, and probably you, included) have received MMR vaccine and are not autistic. I'll thank you to keep your hands out of my pockets.

I checked my vaccination records and I did not receive it. I received separate shots. There are a few reasons why not everyone is autistic. First, only some vaccines were defective and harmful. Second, some people naturally have more resistance to toxic chemicals such as mercury and thimerosal.

It's also interesting to note that the federal government passed legislation which would basically shield vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits, if there ever was any "concrete evidence" of a link.

Originally Posted by ScaredOnce

Does too! (if you want to intelligently debate the morality stem-cell research, excluding cultivation methods - which would be another topic that is oh-so-hard for the religious to keep separate, start another thread. I don't think the activity of medical research on stem cells for what it is could offend too many.)

We can start a new thread about that as soon as this one is finished.

Do you know any Europeans and have you ever discussed the LPR with them? I was pretty hammered yesterday when I was doing a great deal of posting, but I remembered some type of circular reasoning for why imitation of Europe was a good thing (in some ways it is, across the board - certainly not).

Of course I know some Europeans. My parents are polish immigrants who left communist poland. I know what the party is about. Also, I did not advocate embracing every part of european society. However, some of their economic policies could be beneficial for America.

Anyway, my Turk friend passed the LPR off as "just another ultra-right-wing supremacy party with theocratic underpinning". The Brits never heard of it but didn't care about the LPR's opposition to joining the EU because they themselves are disenchanted with the idea of a continental union - certainly the Brits aren't trading in the GBPs for Euros and the EU Economic Commission anytime soon.

But, in short, if the LPR had enough backing to accomplish anything without a car bomb, a la IRA-style, then I'd care. Fortunately, they're not even a credible political nuisance at this point.

They don't commit acts of terrorism. They just have a far right (and very biblical) ideology.

[ErSwnn]

I respectfully disagree that we need more than the 10 Commandments. The only questions are what penalties are applied. For example....traffic violations. That comes under the heading of Love Thy Neighbors. Now, do realize that I am in part being "tongue in cheek" on this but to some extent my thoughts are correct. The Commandments really do cover and are encompassing of all of man's laws. As for using the Bible or any other religous texts to formulate governments..no thanks...I do not want to live in a theocracy. As we have it now, separation of church and state, is working fine. As for the Catholic Church being the be all and end all of political issues...no way. Their history is full of misdeeds, lies and blind eyes. I went to 12 years of Catholic schooling. I don't want these people running my life or my government. In 7th grade we were given sex ed by a priest. He said and I quote "if you masterbate you will use up your supply of sperm". If this is the level of honesty I can expect of the Catholic Church I'd rather be a socialist. We live in a country that allows us to make up our own minds and believe as we wish regardless of the consequences we face before God. In the end it is between He and I. Before that time it is up to me to adhere to what I wish and do as I please....within laws not tied to religious hiarchy. If I misstep along the way I have to answer for it, no government is going to speak for me.

[enfieldshooter303]

some people think that their $1,200 AR-15 will magically make them attractive or give them the power to make a woman orgasm.

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by etep513

They don't commit acts of terrorism. They just have a far right (and very biblical) ideology.

I repeat... fortunately, they're not even a credible political nuisance at this point.

[captaincrunch]

Originally Posted by etep513

My brother was completely verbal before he received the MMR vaccine. Within a few days of receiving the MMR vaccine, he lost the ability to speak the words that he knew and he was basically living in his own alternate reality. Explain that to me. You have a degree in neuroscience, yet you ignore the fact that scientists still don't truly understand the human brain in its entirety.

I checked my vaccination records and I did not receive it. I received separate shots. There are a few reasons why not everyone is autistic. First, only some vaccines were defective and harmful. Second, some people naturally have more resistance to toxic chemicals such as mercury and thimerosal.

It's unfortunate your brother has autism. I am not ignoring understanding of the brain. Just because it is not fully understood does not give you're MMR-autism link anymore validity.

I'd also like to make clear that
1. MMR vaccines never contained thimerosal.
2. Vaccines given to infants and toddlers do not contain thimerosal and this includes the flu vaccine contrary to what anti vaccination people will tell you. (Single dose vials are thimerosal free and are labeled pediatric dose. multidose vials contain thimerosal)
3. Since thimerosal was removed from vaccines, the austism rate has increased.

[Seventy4Blazer]

i try to buy as many American made (American owned isnt always the case) products as possible. my dodge truck was Made in mexico of mostly non american parts. my jeep on the other hand is 89% American parts made right here in the USA.

i wont buy an italian beretta because i know i can pick one up made in MD for less and get the same thing.

i try to support our nation the the best of my ability... its not easy, but its possible.

[PeaceAndLove]

When a topic descends into ordinary political arguing, the arguers should stop. Especially communism or what America "is."

It is sensible to think about where your stuff comes from. Sometimes getting something from the wrong source can get you killed.

How about "Think global, buy local?" I always try to buy from vendors as close to Pittsburgh as possible, all things being equal (which can only ever be approximately true)

"Made in USA" makes some people feel good. "Made is Austria" makes some people feel good. Springfield probably wants to make "Made in Croatia" feel good some day.

deafsmithco had guns in calibers that seemed hard to find in foreign makes. You're more likely to see a Remington than a Saiga rifle.


Personally, having a connection to the people and circumstances that made a product not only feels good but is also sometimes selfishly good (environment and trade balance). And sometimes personal choice only affects you.

What IS irrational is expecting rationality in product choice and thinking that rationalism is better.

[PeaceAndLove]

Oh, and stereotypes make choices easier. Swiss products deserve less scrutiny than Chinese products, unless the Swiss one day use this guise to cut corners and increase profits.

All other information notwithstanding, Chinese products are good because:

1) They are cheap.
2) They are made by the blessed Chinese Communists who get to eat our pollution while we get our products.

[etep513]

Originally Posted by ErSwnn

I respectfully disagree that we need more than the 10 Commandments. The only questions are what penalties are applied. For example....traffic violations. That comes under the heading of Love Thy Neighbors. Now, do realize that I am in part being "tongue in cheek" on this but to some extent my thoughts are correct. The Commandments really do cover and are encompassing of all of man's laws. As for using the Bible or any other religous texts to formulate governments..no thanks...I do not want to live in a theocracy. As we have it now, separation of church and state, is working fine. As for the Catholic Church being the be all and end all of political issues...no way. Their history is full of misdeeds, lies and blind eyes. I went to 12 years of Catholic schooling. I don't want these people running my life or my government. In 7th grade we were given sex ed by a priest. He said and I quote "if you masterbate you will use up your supply of sperm". If this is the level of honesty I can expect of the Catholic Church I'd rather be a socialist. We live in a country that allows us to make up our own minds and believe as we wish regardless of the consequences we face before God. In the end it is between He and I. Before that time it is up to me to adhere to what I wish and do as I please....within laws not tied to religious hiarchy. If I misstep along the way I have to answer for it, no government is going to speak for me.

This is where I respectfully disagree. The model of minimum government can be harmful to the weakest members of society. Let's use business as an example. Before the government passed labor law and laws regulating work place conditions, you had children working in factories. You had workers who were exposed to asbestos (and developed mesothelioma later on in life). You had a lot of terrible things going on that should not have been happening.

With regards to moral issues, you have the constitutional right to sin. However, your actions can't harm other people (like in the case of abortion).

The reason why the catholic church had so many past failures in history is that it was basically hijacked by adulterous monarchs. I already said it before. It was run by wealthy, arrogant aristocrats who had no desire to follow Christ but plenty of desire to expand their empires and fill their chests with treasure.

Originally Posted by ScaredOnce

I repeat... fortunately, they're not even a credible political nuisance at this point.

Why do you mean by "credible political nuisance"?

Originally Posted by captaincrunch

It's unfortunate your brother has autism. I am not ignoring understanding of the brain. Just because it is not fully understood does not give you're MMR-autism link anymore validity.

I'd also like to make clear that
1. MMR vaccines never contained thimerosal.
2. Vaccines given to infants and toddlers do not contain thimerosal and this includes the flu vaccine contrary to what anti vaccination people will tell you. (Single dose vials are thimerosal free and are labeled pediatric dose. multidose vials contain thimerosal)
3. Since thimerosal was removed from vaccines, the austism rate has increased.

And how about mercury? If you can quickly dismiss the the link between autism and vaccines as something genetic, then why didn't anyone else in my family have it. For the record, my brother is severely autistic (completely non-verbal) and he relies on pictures and physical gestures to communicate. If autism is genetic, then why didn't anyone else in my family have it. Nobody from either side of my family had such problems. My grandparents also said that nobody in the family ever suffered from such a condition. Please explain that to me. Even if it was an autosomal recessive disorder, then at least 2-3 other people in the family would have autism. However, none of my cousins display behavior that remotely suggests autism.

Also, what do you have to say about this medical doctor?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...autism+vaccine