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Doesn't the bible also say call no man on earth father?

Why do you think that your religion is superior to other religions?

Do you respect others religion in the same manner that you want your religion respected?

You don't believe in murder? Have you ever studied the roots of the Catholic church?

I respect your right to worship as you wish, but to come off the way you do, does not paint you as very Christ like.

As you get older you will realize that there is much good in many religions and that you are no better and have no better chance of heaven than the rest of humanity.

Personally I think organized religion is part of the problem and is responsible for more murder than anything since the beginning of time .
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You make me sick.

"I used to believe in god, until I reached the age of reason." - George Carlin
Believe what you want. In the end, god will separate the good from the wicked.

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To the OP. You apparently do not know anyone that has been raped or has been a product of a rape. As for stem research begin unethical. I think this thread has provided a solid base for the reasoning of whose ethics you chose to follow.
You apparently don't know what it means to be Christian. If a person calls himself/herself a Christian, that person is saying that they will try to follow God at all costs. It means that even if those around you threaten to cut your fingers off with an axe and burn your house to the ground, you will follow God. With respect to the abortion issue, it means that a Christian will give birth to an innocent unborn child, even if the child is the product of rape. Why do you think life's burdens are comparable to carrying a cross?

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That's the fact, Jack.
As bad as it is getting around here, it is only so due to the fact that we have always expected a certain level of freedom, and have become spoiled by it. This country is still lightyears ahead of anywhere else in respect to the everyday freedoms enjoyed by its people.
American is unique in that no matter how much you abuse your freedoms, you can still get away with it as long as the majority agree.

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Hopefully you'll never need its benefits...
Stem cell research for the development of new medical solutions is one of my favorite areas of science and technology. It's awesome. Jesus loves it too...
Jesus does not love it because people should not be messing with that.

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so you believe in the government forcing your religious views on everyone else while simultaneously stealing our money to redistribute it to people who did not earn it, eh?

Progressive taxation is not stealing by biblical standards. This isn't your earth, it's God's earth. Everyone is obligated to follow God's laws. The people who "did not earn it, are people who have no means of changing their situation. I am not saying that bums should have all of the luxuries that hard-working people receive. I am saying that people suffering from disabilities and people who cannot advance due to lack of opportunities should receive some help so that they can at least receive basic necessities. Just out of curiosity, do you think that kids with downs syndrome should work in a sweat shop for the rest of their lives? After all, they didn't take advantage of America's vast educational opportunities.

you have pretty much taken the worst of the "right" and combined it with the worst of the "left".
no thanks.

Like I said before, each party only has half of the truth.

personally, i believe in the ideals outlined in the declaration of independence (the whole inalienable right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness thing) and the constitution (limited government).

The ideals listed in the constitution are not the ideals listed in the Bible.

charitable people *voluntarily give* to help others. government run extortion (i.e., your "progressive" taxation scheme) is not chartity...it is theft.

The problem is that not enough people are being charitable. Before the age of social security and government programs, the poor and disabled had to rely on handouts from the wealthy. It wasn't enough for those people to survive on. That's the reason why you had people who couldn't even afford to buy shoes aore see a doctor in those times.

you seem to be implying causation...the scientific community strongly disputes your view here.

And how many times has the scientific community produced drugs which were first considered to be safe, but later found to be very harmful?

btw, if the government didn't steal so much of our money, more of us would have more money to donate to charities--including those that support care for people with autism.

I said it before. You people had your chance before the age of social security and government programs. The poor and disabled couldn't get by with the meager contributions of the wealthy.

1. please respect my right to be free from your religion. if you do not, we will clash.

The Bible says that God gave people the right to be wicked if they choose. But God has the right to judge everyone and sentence them accordingly after death.

2. there is actually a strong element of communal thinking in portions of jewish culture. yeshivas and kibbutzes, for example, are quite communal in nature. that's fine...nobody is forced to join a yeshiva or kibbutz...but they are what they are. when the government forces, it, though it becaomes something theft. doesn't one of your hallowed ten commandments mention something about not "stealing"?

That is not theft by biblical standards.

oh boy...that's scary. if you become an LEO or end up in some other position of authority, please remember, that, as much as it may disgust you, america is a free country. you do not have the right to force your morality on others. you do not have right redistribute what they have earned for themselves.

Actually, the government does have the right to redistribute wealth if the public supports laws which do so. Ever heard of social security? Plus, there is no amendment against progressive taxation.

that is true. specialization leads to greater efficiency. but it also leads to dependence. there is a balance to walk there. while i am a great proponent of free global markets, ignoring the effects of becoming less self-sufficient as a nation could lead to catastrophe.

You are right in that it leads to dependence. However, humans cannot afford to fight wars against each other till the end of time. The weapons are too destructive. If there is a WWIII, all of our guns will be useless, as there will be nobody alive to use them.

actually, it sounds like you do not know the difference between socialism and communism.

Actually, it sounds like you are the one who doesn't know. In high school, I took Advanced placement european history. On the national exam, I scored a 5 (the highest you can get). I learned all about socialism. Communism is also known as AUTHORITARIAN SOCIALISM (socialism with a lot of government control). The type of socialism that you see in Europe is called DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM (since people can elect leaders from different parties).

it also sounds like you fail to differentiate between economic policy and social policy...and economic systems vs. political systems.
I know all about economic systems and social systems. Someone with a hard left ideology will be a communist (in terms of economics) and a revolutionary (in terms of politics). Economically, you could say that I'm a democratic socialist. However, politically I am a hard-line Catholic reactionary. Here is the political party that most closely matches my views:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Polish_Families

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Doesn't the bible also say call no man on earth father?
Here is an explanation of the Catholic stance

Why do you think that your religion is superior to other religions?

The Bible states that pagan worship is a terrible sin. If Christianity is such a hoax as a lot of atheists say it is, then why is it that there are so many divine miracles, such as the marian apparitions?

Do you respect others religion in the same manner that you want your religion respected?

The Bible does say that you should treat others with respect, and I do so. However, there is nothing along the lines of embracing false teachings.

You don't believe in murder? Have you ever studied the roots of the Catholic church?

Of course I know European history. I took AP euro in high school and I aced the national exam (I scored a 5, the highest score you can get). Some people talk about how the Catholic Church murdered innocent people. The Church of the middles ages was not operated in a manner that Saint Peter would have approved of. During that time, adulterous monarchs pretty much hijacked the Catholic Church and exploited it to accomplish their own political goals. That's one of the reasons why you had clergy men of different nationalities fighting each other in wars. It's also the reason why those "Catholic monarchs" had so many mistresses.

I respect your right to worship as you wish, but to come off the way you do, does not paint you as very Christ like.

What is so un-Christ-like about wanting to help the poor and opposing abortion in all cases?

As you get older you will realize that there is much good in many religions and that you are no better and have no better chance of heaven than the rest of humanity.

I know that there is good in other religions. Other religions also oppose many of the things I listed. However, believing in Christ is a fundamental part of salvation.

Personally I think organized religion is part of the problem and is responsible for more murder than anything since the beginning of time .
But you are ignoring the fact that people hated each other and wanted to conquer each other. Christ never endorsed imperial monarchs that started bloody wars. The unfortunate thing is that people hate each other enough to find a reason to go to war.
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etep...I'm very glad you live in a country which allows you to believe as you do. I'm glad you are allowed to speak of your beliefs openly. But I do see at least one fallicy in your political/religious direction. This country is not run by the Bible. I can think of only one part of the Bible which should have any bearing and in it all the laws we need. The Ten Commandments. They cover everything. The only other off topic comment I have is I'm a flat taxer.
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I'm with u ErSwnn on the flat tax. A progressive tax does nothing positive for the community. It doesn't encourage people who make less to work harder if they know they'll pay more taxes. In the end having goverment investing in soo many businesses such as automotive and banking can never be good. goverment is the only thing that grows bigger but doesn't have to show a profit.

As far as all this chrisianity stuff, if it makes you live a better life good for you. I just don't need you or the goverment forcing your morality down my throat. I've been thru catholic school from k thru 12. I've seen the hypocritical ways of the catholic religion for myself. Quote:
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The correct translation from the Hebrew is "You shall not murder." This is DRASTICALLY different from "You shall not kill." And the difference is vital to Christians who believe with have a duty to defend ourselves and our families.

What you say is true. The purpose of that commandment was so that people would not kill each other for no reason at all. Self defense is another story.

I guess as long as you have a "good reason" it's AOK
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The issue involves MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccine. Many parents all across the country reported that their children started displaying symptoms of autism within hours and days of receiving the MMR vaccination. If you want to learn more about the topic, then check this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...autism+vaccine

It's interesting to note that when nuclear weapons were tested on American soil, the government denied the harmfulness of radioactive fall out.

Parents reporting their children starting displaying autisic symptoms after receiving MMR vaccine is not proof of anything. I could go on for days about autism. I have a degree in neuroscience and just spent the last 2.5 years clinically researching vaccine as my job. But I'm just going to respond to your claim here, yes many parents have reported that but did you also know that when home videos of these children have been studied retrospectively autistic symptoms have been found to be present since birth...the parents just failed to notice them because they ...wait for it....are not medical professionals with education in developement disorders.
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The rest of society is obligated to help since my brother became autistic after receiving an MMR vaccine. The government mandates MMR vaccines in order to be able to enroll in a public school. That is the reason why.
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Excuse me? Please provide proof, hell even some evidence would do, in support of your assertion. Here, let me state it baldly. Vaccination causes autism.
Good thing you don't get to decide what I'm obligated to do.
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The issue involves MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccine. Many parents all across the country reported that their children started displaying symptoms of autism within hours and days of receiving the MMR vaccination. If you want to learn more about the topic, then check this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...autism+vaccine

It's interesting to note that when nuclear weapons were tested on American soil, the government denied the harmfulness of radioactive fall out.
Anecdotal accounts are, most assuredly, not evidence. Let alone proof. Many parents all across the country report that their children are demonically possessed. They have no evidence to support their claims, therefore their claims may be dismissed. Many people claim to have been abducted by extra terrestrial beings. Again, no evidence, so...

It's interesting to note that many millions of people in the U.S.(myself, and probably you, included) have received MMR vaccine and are not autistic. I'll thank you to keep your hands out of my pockets.
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No I dont work for Pharma, but in the industry.
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