Obama acknowledges US history with Iran (The Obama Mideast Tour Thread)

[larrymeyer]

Originally Posted by Adam-12

When my Dad commits a crime and gets arrested, he's damaging my family. When he owns up to his crime and straightens out his life, he's not damaging his family--he's finally acting like a man for once in his life.

The problem isn't Obama "taking responsibility" for times the American government has done things it never should have done, in betrayal of the American people. That could be the start of something good... except:

• Like every President before him, he "apologizes" for what someone else did, simply to make himself seem great.
• He only confesses to crimes everyone already knows about; you'll never catch him putting a stop to crimes we haven't found out about.
• He has no intention whatsoever of holding anyone in government accountable for committing crimes--or else he'd have arrested Cheney by now.
• He plans to commit the same crimes himself, which makes his "apologies" hollow. Notice his backpedalling on Guantanamo.

So this "apology" is a big fat charade from a man who's as big a criminal as any of his predecessors, has no intention of actually turning over a new leaf, and puts on this show to create a pretense of having a shred of moral fiber. And ironically your outrage helps make the illusion complete, by creating the appearance that he actually did something remarkable. You're helping him.

The same way conservatives help him when they express outrage that although he's going to continue the military commissions and torture, he's not continuing it hard enough. He can use your outrage to convince his base that his clone-Bush policies are something new and daring.

How is my outrage helping him I think he's an a hole that is making my Country look weak and unable to defend itself, in front of the world.

[Adam-12]

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

How is my outrage helping him I think he's an a hole that is making my Country look weak and unable to defend itself, in front of the world.

The American people have had it up to here with Bush and Cheney. So his re-election, among other things, depends critically on pretending he's different from Bush. But he's such a perfect clone of Bush that if he weren't a different shade, we wouldn't be able to tell them apart. He needs to try and make himself look different, even while he continues every Bush policy virtually unchanged.

How can he do that? He could try massive propaganda. And he is, to some extent; propaganda is the biggest government activity. So he bans the phrase "war on terror," for example (he denies it here). And he claims he's shutting down Guantanamo, but he's actually continuing operations elsewhere, possibly Bagram. And he continues the military commissions, only pretending his will be the kinder, gentler version.

But to really sell the propaganda, what he really needs is help from his "opponents." Notice that even the "liberal media" sees through his scam and even calls him on it once in a while. So how can he convince everyone that he's really a peacenik while making war; that he's for human rights even while he tortures; that he's against aggressive war even as he continues occupying Iraq and surging in Afghanistan? He could never do it without Rush Limbaugh trumpeting to all the world that Obama is a dovish, non-torturing peacenik pussy. It's the opposite of the truth, which is why the neocons love Obama. But if Rush Limbaugh says it, people will believe it.

You're helping by condemning him over a bit of theater, when in fact he's 100% as bad as Bush, and even more dangerous. You're helping spread the lie that he's not GW Bush II.

[larrymeyer]

I don't think Bush was all that bad on terrorism if it saves one of my country mans lives (and that includes soldiers) I don't have a problem with pulling finger nails out. Hooking them up to a battery and giving them shoots of electric. Remember the gentleman at Git-mo or not soldiers they are terrorist and spies. Over 7 % of those released have gone back to fighting our men. If that's wrong then I'll be wrong forever

[Gtbullet]

I don’t think there is anything wrong with stating we’ve been wrong at times, but apologizing to every nation on the face of the planet, that’s a little over the top. Don’t you think? The mere fact he’s running around apologizing and at the same time Obama’s at the UN saying I agree we should disarm the American people, screw their constitution. Obama doesn’t have a Constitution he’s no real ties to this country for him it’s just another place on the earth. Obama doesn’t care about anything but power and what he perceives he can do with it, this guy is a flat out socialist that shouldn’t be running this country. The votes who put in office made a horrible mistake and they are starting to realize just what they did. I think even the Libs are a little worried about Obama. The Republicans and the Demarcates better pull together to fight this guy because if we don’t we’re all in the same shithole Obama going to create, a socialist fucking country, Holyshit, I can’t and don’t agree on anything he does because everything that he does right will in fact enforce his socialist views and make that much easier for people to swallow his bullshit. In my humble opinion Obama is the worst thing that ever happened to the people of the country even if they did vote this anti-American Socialist, raciest, leftwing Liberal, Muslim into office!!@@!!@!!!@!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pector55]

Originally Posted by Halftrack

Does anybody have a scorecard for this pissing match?

Who's winning?

Obama is down 37 to 3

[Adam-12]

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

I don't think Bush was all that bad on terrorism if it saves one of my country mans lives (and that includes soldiers) I don't have a problem with pulling finger nails out...

If you really believe that, you'll lobby for police to use "enhanced interrogation" on suspects as well. Why would you let Americans die just so police can coddle scumbags?

[larrymeyer]

Originally Posted by Adam-12

If you really believe that, you'll lobby for police to use "enhanced interrogation" on suspects as well. Why would you let Americans die just so police can coddle scumbags?

Your reading thing in I didn't say I never said give the police that power however with terrorist and spies sure why not. I sure wouldn't give them a bottle of chocolate milk and tuck them in at night which you seem to advocate. These people ARE NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS so should have no protection under our constitution. They are enemy combatants not even soldiers they were taken on the battle field in civilian clothing (IE Spies) so their not covered by any rules. But they play by the rules right show me in the Geneva Treaty where it says you can behead an enemy solider. or a non-combatant like reporters or civilians at the market or in a Masque ?

We follow too many rules you can't shoot back even if your being shoot at until HQ says its OK. You can't get permission to shoot back if your being shoot at from a neighbor hood because you may kill a civilian tell me about fair. These rules may cost us this war. Maybe we should transfer them to the prison in Pittsburgh and bring in meals from the Legal Eagle out there

[Gtbullet]

Oh and while I’m at it, what do you call the Apology to Mexico? Yes we can’t forget about that shot at the American people, god knows what Obama has said behind closed doors. It’s because “American Anti-gun laws that why you have corruption in your country”. I guess we made all Mexican politicians thieving bastards and that why they have cartels and drug wars in their country and oh yes our big guy Obama fest up to that as well apologizing for the US saying he wants to instate more gun bans because yes we did it wasn’t your fault. Obama also forgot to tell everyone that the guns that they found in Mexico were the very same guns our government gave the Mexicans to fight the war on drugs, but what Obama left out was half the Mexican federally defected to the cartels take the rifles with them. I guess this Apology was ok too...

[Adam-12]

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

Your reading thing in I didn't say I never said give the police that power...

I know you didn't. I'm saying you should. Why would you coddle scum and let innocent Americans die?

These people ARE NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS...

So it's OK if Americans die killed by American scumballs? We only bother to save their lives when they're threatened by foreign scumballs? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Unless you're saying that you can't bear to torture murdering scum unless they're foreigners. If so, why not? Why do you have such a soft heart for American murdering scum? Or is it that foreign murderers are torture material because foreigners are less than human?

[AxiTech]

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

I feel and maybe wrongly that by being an apologist for the mistakes this country may or may not have made in the past, or wrongs that may or may not be perceived as real just weakens this country. It looks to our enemies that we're giving in to them. And they say see terror works. If we'd of won in Nam do you think or believe we'd be fighting in Baghdad streets, our giving up in Nam showed our enemies that we're weak when it comes to a long fight. We no longer have the stomach for it.

Sorry This man stands in front of an enemy and says we're sorry I'm not so he doesn't speak for me.

MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG IT"S STILL MY COUNTRY

Can't rep you, it won't let me. Bu, I fully agree with that post. He doesn't speak for a whole lot of us. He is going to get us hit again!