Can someone in law enforcement etc? help me out? Please!

[thetruepyromaniak]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

The PSP database contains no "stolen" item info. The NCIC does.

It seems that everytime some one on here is confronted, the police ask to run the serial number to check to see if its "stolen". Really I think they are just logging it and putting it into a "notes" caption beside your name.

[Pa. Patriot]

I can not find a single thing in TXDMERC73's reply that is accurate.

Originally Posted by TXDMERC73

Most Firearms that go thru the FFL are not always checked by the sheriff unless they are registered

1) Neither FFLs nor Sheriffs execute a check against the NCIC stolen firearm list for any transfers. None.
2) There is no "registration" in Pa.

Originally Posted by TXDMERC73

IF someone has a stolen gun and they report it or it has been reported stolen, they are likely to be charged with recieving stolen property, best bet is not to buy a firearm unless its sold by a FFL or a gun manufacturer then you have nothing to worry about cuz it will be in their hands, if the gun is stolen not yours, but if you buy it from a private owner and have it transferred at a FFL and it comes back stolen then it goes to the person selling gun.

Completely false.
1) If a stolen gun gets traced through an FFL, to someone who purchased it at an FFL, the gun will be forfeited and "it will be on the hands of" the person who stole the gun, if known. Not the FFL, Not the buyer.
2) If you buy a gun from a private party and have it transferred through an FFL and the gun is later traced through the FFL the same thing happens as above. No liability to the buyer. Same as $1
3) You can not be charged with receiving stolen property unless you know the goods are stolen Ref: 18Pa.C.S.3925

Originally Posted by TXDMERC73

but it dont always come back unless the FFL registers all the guns he sells or transfers.

There is no "registration" in Pa. There is also no check for "stolen", registry or no registry when a FFL sells or transfers a firearm.

[GunLawyer001]

To be convicted of receiving stolen property, there has to be evidence that you were aware (or should have been aware) that it was stolen. Guns that haven't changed hands in the last couple of decades would not be the basis of a prosecution for even the most optimistic prosecutor.

Worst case, if they are stolen, they will be seized by the police, and with luck (and compliance with the UFA) they will find their way back to the owner, or his heirs. If you run them now, and they come up stolen, you lose them. If you don't run them now, and they come up stolen later, you lose them later. Not a whole lot of difference.

I'd imagine that you could find a PD willing to run the serial numbers if you arranged to bring them into the station, so that they could be immediately seized if they hit. I WOULD NOT just walk into any police station with an armload of guns, ala Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator. You may get additional damage to the guns. And yourself.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by thetruepyromaniak

It seems that everytime some one on here is confronted, the police ask to run the serial number to check to see if its "stolen". Really I think they are just logging it and putting it into a "notes" caption beside your name.

If they run it to check if it was stolen (unlawful without your consent or suspicion of it being stolen, BTW ) then they will run it through NCIC.
Some PD's are mistakenly and unlawfully running peoples firearms through the database of sales executed on a form SP4-113 (but no other lawful transfers) that they mistakenly think is an ownership registry.

As for the notation suspicion, doesn't happen. The database contains SP4-113 info, that's it.

[TXDMERC73]

suppose police do run the serial numbers on a gun , what do you think they do if its not a stolen gun they add your name and the gun on the database , or what do they really do after they run the numbers?

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by TXDMERC73

suppose police do run the serial numbers on a gun , what do you think they do if its not a stolen gun they add your name and the gun on the database , or what do they really do after they run the numbers?

They don't do that. When they have com center run a inquiry they only get info back.

Only SP4-113 info goes in the PSP database.

[netw0rkpenguin]

Originally Posted by thetruepyromaniak

It seems that everytime some one on here is confronted, the police ask to run the serial number to check to see if its "stolen". Really I think they are just logging it and putting it into a "notes" caption beside your name.

I had 3 OC encounters, 2 very professional and 1 where the dumbass rookies wanted to take me in (thankfully the corporal told them not to bring me in). Never was my handgun run through non existent registry. In all 3 encounters the only issue on the table was me OCing.

[-JD-]

Montgomeryville PD has run checks on "abandoned" long guns for our (storage) business on 2 occasions. Once they sent an officer out, he took back the list of models/SNs we provided and called us back with an all clear. The other time I walked in with the info for one and they ran it while I waited. Admittedly, we had an atypical reason for them coming into our custody, so running the checks may be more reasonable to them.

[unclejumbo]

Let me throw in a little professional insight. When we run a serial number, it is through NCIC. Sometimes we get multiple hits (entered stolen) on a single serial number because there is no standard for manufacturers. I ran a found rifle and had three hits, none of them the one I was holding. We can run record of sale information, person or handgun. We can't add notes to the record of sale.

As for the OP. Take it to your local police station and have them run it if you have some suspicions. You don't want to be holding on to a stolen gun, bad news. They will run it because if it is stolen, they can get it back to the rightful owner. Also, expect to be asked some questions if it is stolen. Be honest. (I know, never talk to us...)

As for the 50-60 year old guns. NCIC has a time limit on maintaining records. After a length of time, depending on item, the record is purged. (intentionally vague, sorry)

If this is choppy, sorry. Having my brain numbed by 'Wipeout'.

[chrisjames_71]

Originally Posted by unclejumbo

Having my brain numbed by 'Wipeout'.

Why oh why would you do this to yoursefl??? Please seek help!!