Idiotic gun owners

[fingers80002]

Originally Posted by merlin1372

The tenant does not have a LTCF and was told either him or the gun leaves, so he hops in his car with gun and takes off.

He had a gun in a vehicle. Doesn't matter if it's loaded, or not.

[Searcher67]

Well,, to be fair we really don't know why or WHAT they were shooting at... Could have been a Bigfoot....I'm just saying!

[cgbudde]

Some people should stick with toy guns.

[RoyJackson]

Originally Posted by fingers80002

He had a gun in a vehicle. Doesn't matter if it's loaded, or not.

You don't need an LCTF to transport a firearm in a vehicle. You need an LCTF if you carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle.
Hell, bro...how do thousands, if not tens of thousands, of gun owners get to a range, or gunshop (if they do not have a permit)?

[fingers80002]

Originally Posted by fingers80002

Ummm, yes he does. If he is not going to/from a range, gunsmith, place of purchase/sale,hunting area, he needs a LTCF to transport it in a vehicle.

Damn, quoting myself,..........

[biggs88]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson

You don't need an LCTF to transport a firearm in a vehicle. You need an LCTF if you carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle.
Hell, bro...how do thousands, if not tens of thousands, of gun owners get to a range, or gunshop (if they do not have a permit)?

WRONG----

You CAN NOT carry a gun in a car loaded or unloaded unless

A) you have a LTCF

or

B) you are going to or from a gun shop/range.

At 10:30 at night, he IS NOT going to a range or shop. He broke the law.
You are spreading your ideas, some one not knowing the law is going to read your ideas, and be arrested for transporting a firearm unlawfully.

It is VERY clear. If you have no LTCF, you can ONLY transport a unloaded gun in a car if you are going to or from the gun shop/range. If you stop at a Walmart you HAVE broke the law.


18 Pa.C.S. § 6106: Firearms not to be carried without a license Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree. (2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a [FN1] valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.
(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded. (5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
(8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.
(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.
(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
(14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).
(15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:
(i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.
(ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.

[Longshot]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson

You don't need an LCTF to transport a firearm in a vehicle. You need an LCTF if you carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle.
Hell, bro...how do thousands, if not tens of thousands, of gun owners get to a range, or gunshop (if they do not have a permit)?

You are Incorrect here. You may not transport a firearm in a vehicle with out a LTCF. Unless you fit into a few exceptions, like going to and from a range, your place of business. And it must be unloaded. You can not just unload your Firearm throw it in your trunk and go anywhere you want when you don't have a LTCF.

http://www.acslpa.org/pa_uniform_firearms_act.htm

6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.

(a) Offense defined.*

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.

(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

(b) Exceptions.-The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Com*monwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.

(2) Members of the army, navy or marine corps of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.

(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or re*ceive such weapons from the United States or from this Commonwealth.

(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with rifle, pistol, or revolver, if such persons

are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the cartridges or shells are carried in a separate container and the rifle, pistol or revolver is unloaded.

(5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.

(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.

(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.

(8) Any person while carrying a firearm unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section

6111.1(6)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police) or to a location to which the person has been directed to surrender firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. §6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the surrendered firearm.

(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such per*sons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.

(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.

(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle which, person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.

(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.

[tl_3237]

Has it been established that the gun in question is NOT a long gun? No LTCF required for unloaded longguns in vehicle.

[RoyJackson]

Originally Posted by biggs88

WRONG----

You CAN NOT carry a gun in a car loaded or unloaded unless

A) you have a LTCF

or

B) you are going to or from a gun shop/range.

EDIT FOR BREVITY BY ROY

Originally Posted by Longshot

You are Incorrect here. You may not transport a firearm in a vehicle with out a LTCF. Unless you fit into a few exceptions, like going to and from a range, your place of business. And it must be unloaded. You can not just unload your Firearm throw it in your trunk and go anywhere you want when you don't have a LTCF.

Did you read the post before you responded?

This is what was written:

You don't need an LCTF to transport a firearm in a vehicle. You need an LCTF if you carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle.
Hell, bro...how do thousands, if not tens of thousands, of gun owners get to a range, or gunshop (if they do not have a permit)?

Your response says the same thing my post says...yet, you're saying I'm wrong??? Going to target practice does not mean one is going to a range or business...not a lawyer, but it doesn't appear the laws quoted are written that way either.

But, back to the OP... The way it was written, the tenant was told to remove the gun because he did not have a LTCF...after which, the tenant got in his car and left (we have no idea where he was going or if he unloaded the gun).
Plinking at 10:30 PM isn't real smart...and, I suspect alcohol may have been involved (pure supposition on my part). However, the tenant legally had a firearm at his home and, to the best of our knowledge at this time, was not violating his lease or the laws. The OP may respond with lease and law requirements we do not know about yet.
Shooting at night may not be smart, but it isn't necessarilly illegal.

[Searcher67]

What about hunting? You can hunt coyote as well as other animals 24 hrs a day..You could always be carrying a gun in the car. I'm not just talking about long guns, I hunt with a Ruger BH .357..I have an LTCF, so for me its a mute point. So, as long as your hunting license with you then you would be fine...

Correct?