Bushmaster XM15 malfunction

[NP1724]

Originally Posted by mdslngr594

I'm not an expert i've only had my AR a month or so but from what i've heard is don't put wolf through an AR! That being said if u had the money to buy the gun in the first place u can prob afford to get better ammo. Or maybe buy a cheap reloading press and reload. Thats just my 2 cents. Like i said thats just what i've heard and wat i'm doing. RELOAD or buy better ammo

If you have reputable sources that say don't put wolf through an AR please share, otherwise your 2 cents is worth just that. I've know more people that use wolf for range use than people who haven't. And as far as affording better ammo, I would rather shoot more with decent range ammo that cycles. No offense but Ill spare the lecture about affording better ammo from a 16 year old.

[mdslngr594]

well one of my sources is Tom Lundgren who is a great shooter at Reed Range in indiana and who is good friends with Al Greko (part of team dpms and owner of Al's customs) so i would say they know what they are talking about

[d90king]

Popcorn anyone? I prefer kettle...

I shoot only brass so I don't give a shit. In my mind steel cased ammo is for my AK's.

Most "experts" will say that you can break extractors, and some cheap guns cant shoot it...

But I cant wait to hear everybody chime in on the tens of thousands of rounds they have fired without ever having a malfunction....

They forget to tell you that they never have fired 5 or 6 magazines in a row and got it nice and hot. But instead they shot 100 trouble free rounds at a day at the range.

I have seen plenty of guns choke on steel when they were running them hard, I have also seen failures with brass...

Maybe its all just a big conspiracy by the military to raise the price of brass, so that they can play the futures market.

I will say that you wont see many stake their life on steel...

[TXDMERC73]

Bushmaster makes quality firearms, it had to be a "rogue bullet" sometimes they fill it up with too much powder or used the shittiest steel to make wolf bullets , brass is more mallable then steel -therefore it dont tend to damage your firearm as bad as steel cased bullets will.. ship it back to Bushmaster ,they stand behind their guns. AK's can handle steel bullets cuz they are piston driven, AR's should only use brass so they last longer.

[NP1724]

Originally Posted by TXDMERC73

Bushmaster makes quality firearms, it had to be a "rogue bullet" sometimes they fill it up with too much powder or used the shittiest steel to make wolf bullets , brass is more mallable then steel -therefore it dont tend to damage your firearm as bad as steel cased bullets will.. ship it back to Bushmaster ,they stand behind their guns. AK's can handle steel bullets cuz they are piston driven, AR's should only use brass so they last longer.

Well, called my buddy who was shooting it, he was right next to me but I didn't pay attention to his course of fire. He said the round did fire, so I threw a little CLP in the muzzle and around the case and gently tapped it out from the muzzle.

As far as the steel vs. brass cased, I like to shoot and until I can find brass available and comparable to steel cased at present, I will keep using wolf for the range.

Found some Bushmaster feedback on the issue on another forum:

It is alright to shoot steel cased ammunition in our rifles with chrome lined barrels. We do not recommend the use of any steel cased ammunition that has a lacquer preservative coating.
Thank you,

Jim Eden
Technical Support
Bushmaster Firearms International, LLC
Office: 1-800-883-6229 ext. 277
Fax: 207-892-8068

I have not shot any old wolf laquered casings, so since the manufacturer gives the go ahead, thats all I need to know.

[mdslngr594]

Really i just reread ur first post and i thought wow u put that u had 3 bad rounds 2 in ur gun and 1 in ur friends do u not see this ru blind?? I mean ya u can shoot that through ur gun and other people dont have probs but u do. How much is the wolf?

[NP1724]

Originally Posted by mdslngr594

Really i just reread ur first post and i thought wow u put that u had 3 bad rounds 2 in ur gun and 1 in ur friends do u not see this ru blind?? I mean ya u can shoot that through ur gun and other people dont have probs but u do. How much is the wolf?

3 out of about 1200 rounds. Wolf is about $300 give or take a little bit per case. Far from blind, just economical, so watch the tone kiddo. Also do me a favor and use the entire QWERTY keyboard, we are not text messaging sweet nothings across homeroom.

[Guns4Fun]

Originally Posted by mdslngr594

Really i just reread ur first post and i thought wow u put that u had 3 bad rounds 2 in ur gun and 1 in ur friends do u not see this ru blind?? I mean ya u can shoot that through ur gun and other people dont have probs but u do. How much is the wolf?

First, NP1724 - glad you got it out. I was a little reluctant to tell you to lube it and tap it out with a cleaning rod when your friend said that it went click but did not fire. Glad you got the real story from him.

Now that it is out, I’d get it good and clean with a chamber brush - maybe the chamber is a little tight and or carbon was building up.

Now on to the wolf. There is absolutely nothing wrong with shooting wolf through an AR. I would not use it in a class or competition or for shtf but it is fine for plinking at the range. I have put several thousand rounds down range in my bushy and stags. I don't shoot wolf in my colts - only because they are 1/7 twist and I use PPU 75g ammo in them for plinking and 5.56 75g tap for shtf. I have only done 2 30 round mag dumps in a row using wolf but the guns never choked. Most times shooting is kinda slower steady fire not rapid.

When you consider that wolf is $300 1k and xm193 is about $450 1k after 3k rounds you could buy a complete new upper if you needed to from the cost savings. Not that you'd need a new upper but I’m just trying to put things into perspective.

Buy wolf shoot it and enjoy the savings - if your gun doesn't work on wolf, it's more than likely the gun and not the ammo.

[mdslngr594]

Originally Posted by NP1724

3 out of about 1200 rounds. Wolf is about $300 give or take a little bit per case. Far from blind, just economical, so watch the tone kiddo. Also do me a favor and use the entire QWERTY keyboard, we are not text messaging sweet nothings across homeroom.

first off federal at walmart is $34 for 100 so ur saving very little to buy crap. and i have no clue wat ur talking about QWERTY? i don't get it and i dont even have a cell phone

[NP1724]

Originally Posted by Guns4Fun

First, NP1724 - glad you got it out. I was a little reluctant to tell you to lube it and tap it out with a cleaning rod when your friend said that it went click but did not fire. Glad you got the real story from him.

Now that it is out, I’d get it good and clean with a chamber brush - maybe the chamber is a little tight and or carbon was building up.

Now on to the wolf. There is absolutely nothing wrong with shooting wolf through an AR. I would not use it in a class or competition or for shtf but it is fine for plinking at the range. I have put several thousand rounds down range in my bushy and stags. I don't shoot wolf in my colts - only because they are 1/7 twist and I use PPU 75g ammo in them for plinking and 5.56 75g tap for shtf. I have only done 2 30 round mag dumps in a row using wolf but the guns never choked. Most times shooting is kinda slower steady fire not rapid.

When you consider that wolf is $300 1k and xm193 is about $450 1k after 3k rounds you could buy a complete new upper if you needed to from the cost savings. Not that you'd need a new upper but I’m just trying to put things into perspective.

Buy wolf shoot it and enjoy the savings - if your gun doesn't work on wolf, it's more than likely the gun and not the ammo.

Thanks for the contructive input. Wolf is for the range, for fun. I cleaned the AR down to removing the extractor and giving it a nice scrub. There was a good bit of build up between the feed ramps and the barrel, and with q tips and a toothbrush I got it nice and clean. I did a mag dump followed by slow rate of fire, and I think thats when the round caught. Also did not help that the guy shooting my AR pulled the charging handle back before releasing the mag, applying extra force from trying to load another round before clearing.

I plan on doing another round of rapid then slow fire soon, to see if it happens again. I have bushmaster behind the gun as well as a warranty from where I purchased locally. If it fails again at least I won't have to ship it anywhere, I'll just take it to the place of purchase.