Walmart encounter....

[dtree25]

I have raised four children,one son[who is a staff sargeant in the air force] I have five grandchildren. When my children were growing up I taught everyone of them about guns. They all went hunting and fishing with me, although they never got as exited about hunting and shooting as I am they were always exposed to it,I could come home from hunting and stand my deer rifle in the kitchen corner for a week and they knew better to touch it,because the mystery was gone, and they knew if they wanted to handle it, all they had to do was ask and I would help them.Now I have a grandson five years old along with grandaughters from 3 to 11 years old and we are teaching them the same way. As they get older they can make up their minds about guns, but at least they have a firm understanding about them,and not a lot of liberal hogwash that seem to invade our youths minds today.

[1FingrCHan]

Originally Posted by dtree25

I have raised four children,one son[who is a staff sargeant in the air force] I have five grandchildren. When my children were growing up I taught everyone of them about guns. They all went hunting and fishing with me, although they never got as exited about hunting and shooting as I am they were always exposed to it,I could come home from hunting and stand my deer rifle in the kitchen corner for a week and they knew better to touch it,because the mystery was gone, and they knew if they wanted to handle it, all they had to do was ask and I would help them.Now I have a grandson five years old along with grandaughters from 3 to 11 years old and we are teaching them the same way. As they get older they can make up their minds about guns, but at least they have a firm understanding about them,and not a lot of liberal hogwash that seem to invade our youths minds today.

Your are right, he he he..........just like dating a woman, after you "see" what there is to see, the magic is gone. Same thing with Santa Clause, once you know there is a dude behind the beard smiling, no more mystery, bada bin bada ban! What I meant to say is the more you make guns or anything a "taboo", people is going to try to do it even more. Because of these "liberals", more and more people are buying guns every time an impending AWB talk is looming on the horizon in Harrisburg.



1FingrCHan

[Siobhra]

Originally Posted by 1FingrCHan

Your are right, he he he..........just like dating a woman, after you "see" what there is to see, the magic is gone. Same thing with Santa Clause, once you know there is a dude behind the beard smiling, no more mystery, bada bin bada ban! What I meant to say is the more you make guns or anything a "taboo", people is going to try to do it even more. Because of these "liberals", more and more people are buying guns every time an impending AWB talk is looming on the horizon in Harrisburg.
1FingrCHan

NO, your not telling me there is no Santa Clause. Next thing your going to say is that there is no Easter Bunny. Why I'll bet you don't even believe Hillery wants whats best for America.

[Suburban]

Originally Posted by bigworm40

Guy walks in to store where theres some one behind the counter and 2 or 3 normal people in line. Bad guy pulls his gun, Counter guy draws his 12ga from behind the counter and the other 3 customers draw the carry piece of choice. Cops come what happpen, bad guy had 4 guns drawn on him, that hits the news, how many bad guys will think twice after that happens a few times.

Wouldn't it be great if the papers and network news really covered this stuff? In reality, nobody was shot or died, so it's not exiciting, so it doesn't get covered.

Firearms are used in self-defense about 2.5 million times a year, and how often do you actually hear about it? Maybe if a grandmother is the one that pulled the gun, it's deemed interesting, and there's a 3 minute segment on the incident.

[Evolution]

Originally Posted by ar15jules

I was going to take this post elsewhere and decided that I need not start a battle, but he will probably grow up to be a fearful person who shreiks at the sight of a firearm. It is all part of what I call the pussification of America. Guns are bad, bad people will hurt me, and I can only depend on someone else to help me when the shit hits the fan. Kids don't fight anymore, and if they do, they get suspended from school, expelled from school etc. My elementary school defused any fights by sending us to our gym teacher who geared us up with a headgear and boxing gloves. One kid got the shit kicked out of him and the situation was over. We were taught to stick up for ourselves. Kids were given BB guns and firearms at a young age, and killed with them. Firearms were in many homes and looked at as tools for food and recreation. How many kids today can say that they shot .22 in the back yard at cans? Now kids are drilled with GUNS ARE BAD, GUNS ARE BAD, GUNS ARE BAD. God forbid my kids are ever involved in a situation like happened at Virginia Tech, but god damned if they aren't going to look at the kid next to them and say, "The next time this fuck goes to reload, we are going to slam him over the head with a desk". I don't want to train my kids to be urban warriors, but give them the mindset that when the situation warrants it, they need to have a warrior mentality. Fight back if it is your only option. The other option is a bad one. No one fights back any more. They sit back and hope someone will save them. Sorry, I am treading in dangerous territory where I would rather not step, but I think you get the gist of my rant.
Jules

I agree with you.

[crakkajakka15]

Originally Posted by knight0334

Sheep...

Thats my thought..

Well said.....

[jack76590]

Why engage in conversation with people like that? There is really nothing to gain. And once you reply you may have a wacko on your hands who wants to continue to argue, make noise.

Just ignore them and if they continue, say you are making a purchase and please leave me alone.

If an encounter turns into a shouting match, you want it clear that you did not want the "conversation", you did not start it and you tried to stop it.

Remember there are a lot of wack jobs out there and you don't want to interact with them, esp if you are carrying a gun.

[deputy]

Originally Posted by PisnNapalm

So this evening I was in WallyWorld for a few things. As usual I walked by the gun and ammo section. I noticed that they had a couple of boxes of .45 ammo I wanted to try out.

So as I was waiting there for a WW employee to come help me a mother and her son (maybe 8 years old) came walking by. The son pointed to the case of rifles I was looking at and said "Guns are bad." The mother shot me a concerned look. I replied, "Guns aren't bad, it's the person using it that makes the difference."

Mom quickly gathered her son and took off outta there.

Thoughts?

Maybe mom was running late?

[JBurton57]

Originally Posted by Suburban

Firearms are used in self-defense about 2.5 million times a year, and how often do you actually hear about it? Maybe if a grandmother is the one that pulled the gun, it's deemed interesting, and there's a 3 minute segment on the incident.

Where do those numbers come from? I'm sorry, but that sounds impossible to believe.

Look at a reality check: The current population of the United States is about 304 million, of which over 20% is under the age of 15. For the sake of simplicity let us assume that these people have difficulty obtaining firearms and/or did not fire them defensively.

This leaves approximately 240 million people in the US. If we assume that every one of those people has equal access to a firearm (simply not true, but let's assume it for the sake of simplicity), then just over 1% of the total population would be involved in a self-defensive shooting incident every year.

1% doesn't sound like a lot, but it is. This site has about 9,000 members. That's not an extremely large number to generalize to the population, but following the 1% figure, it'd be logical to predict that approximately 90 people on this site would be involved in a defensive firearm shooting every year. Assuming shootings take place regularly throughout the year, then there should be about 8 incidents per month. That's 2 per week.

I think it's safe to assume that if a member of this forum were involved in a defensive shooting, he/she would start a thread about it. The forum should be full of them.

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by JBurton57

Where do those numbers come from? I'm sorry, but that sounds impossible to believe.

Look at a reality check: The current population of the United States is about 304 million, of which over 20% is under the age of 15. For the sake of simplicity let us assume that these people have difficulty obtaining firearms and/or did not fire them defensively.

This leaves approximately 240 million people in the US. If we assume that every one of those people has equal access to a firearm (simply not true, but let's assume it for the sake of simplicity), then just over 1% of the total population would be involved in a self-defensive shooting incident every year.

1% doesn't sound like a lot, but it is. This site has about 9,000 members. That's not an extremely large number to generalize to the population, but following the 1% figure, it'd be logical to predict that approximately 90 people on this site would be involved in a defensive firearm shooting every year. Assuming shootings take place regularly throughout the year, then there should be about 8 incidents per month. That's 2 per week.

I think it's safe to assume that if a member of this forum were involved in a defensive shooting, he/she would start a thread about it. The forum should be full of them.

You rely on a false assumption, that a "defensive use of a firearm" means a shooting of a bad guy by a good guy. That's not the case at all.

John Lott's respected survey found that "guns are used defensively by private citizens in the U.S. anywhere from 1.5 to 3.4 million times a year". That means that someone was threatened, a gun was displayed and/or fired, and the perp was deterred.

The law-abiding are reluctant to shoot other people. The law requires us to use the least amount of force necessary to end the threat. That very often means displaying a firearm in response to criminal attempts. A rapist trying to pull a woman into his van will generally stop as soon as he finds that she's armed. Same for a robber who just wants your wallet, or someone trying to break into the home of an elderly couple. As soon as the sheep show some fangs, the wolf will flee. Criminals are not usually willing to risk death for chance of cash or plunder.

It's a common false premise of the anti-gunners, comparing "shooting deaths" caused by criminals to "shooting deaths" in self-defense, then concluding that you have little chance of defending yourself with a gun. MOST self-defense uses of firearms do not end in shootings, much less fatalities, because crooks are cowardly punks who will be deterred by the display of a gun.

Citizens tend to resist having wrong done to them, so they sometimes get shot while resisting the crime. They don't have the easy choice of just giving up and fleeing. If a woman gives up she might be raped. If a clerk gives up he might be taken into a back room and executed anyway. Robbers and rapists can give up, cease their criminal attempts, and try again tomorrow, no harm done. Crime victims face harder choices and are harder to defeat with a simple display of a gun.

The law recognizes that "using" a firearm during the commission of a crime does not require pulling the trigger, and we're smart enough to understand that "using" a firearm in self-defense follows the same rules.

As for the numbers, if 1% of the populace uses a firearm defensively in any given year, that's the same as saying that each person is likely to use a firearm defensively one time in a hundred years. That doesn't sound out of line to me, especially since it's an average, and some people live in high crime areas and will rely on firearms to repel intruders and muggers a dozen times over their lifetimes.