New CCW in Monroe

[Hypersonic]

Thanks! I appreciate the reference offer, I will take you up on it.

I have the Berkheimers, when I first moved here I did call to get the letter. I've since been here long enough to have paid, so I have the record. Just needed the local references.

[Mike35]

Got it thanks!

In my case I'll be in Tobyhanna Township so I need to call Central Tax apparently. Anyone have experience with them/ar ethey just as easy to deal with?

Also one odd thing. On the sheriff's website they have a section:

"Concealed Weapons Permits

Basic Requirements for Concealed Weapons Permits "

Under which one "requirement" is "Pennsylvania resident for at least 60 days prior to application". This clause is not on the instruction sheet or application itself. Is this an older rule or is it as technical excuse for denial?

[gf45acp]

Mike, IANAL, and I am sure that some of our more legal minded members willl chime in, but there appears to be 2 problems with that.
One is that Pa does not have a "concealed weapons permit", it has a License to Carry a Firearm, or LTCF.
Two, I do not believe that the Pa Uniform Firearms Act has a 60 day provision, if the Sherriff is trying to use this he would be in violation of Pa law.
The Sherriff in Monroe is known for illegal requirements.

[Hypersonic]

There is a sixty day residency clause in the law.

The people at Burkheimers for the tax letter were very nice. They knew what I was looking for and sent it out promptly.

[gf45acp]

Hypersonic, please cite. Just read it again, the only 60 day reference in the UFA that I can find is that the sheriff must notify you 60 days in advance that your existing permit is to expire.
http://www.acslpa.org/pa_uniform_firearms_act.htm

[headcase]

There is no 60 day residency requirement


§ 6109. Licenses.
(a) Purpose of license.--A license to carry a firearm shall
be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about
one's person or in a vehicle throughout this Commonwealth.
(b) Place of application.--An individual who is 21 years of
age or older may apply to a sheriff for a license to carry a
firearm concealed on or about his person or in a vehicle within
this Commonwealth. If the applicant is a resident of this
Commonwealth, he shall make application with the sheriff of the
county in which he resides or, if a resident of a city of the
first class, with the chief of police of that city.
(c) Form of application and content.--The application for a
license to carry a firearm shall be uniform throughout this
Commonwealth and shall be on a form prescribed by the
Pennsylvania State Police. The form may contain provisions, not
exceeding one page, to assure compliance with this section.
Issuing authorities shall use only the application form
prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police. One of the
following reasons for obtaining a firearm license shall be set
forth in the application: self-defense, employment, hunting and
fishing, target shooting, gun collecting or another proper
reason. The application form shall be dated and signed by the
applicant and shall contain the following statement:
I have never been convicted of a crime that prohibits me
from possessing or acquiring a firearm under Federal or
State law. I am of sound mind and have never been
committed to a mental institution. I hereby certify that
the statements contained herein are true and correct to
the best of my knowledge and belief. I understand that,
if I knowingly make any false statements herein, I am
subject to penalties prescribed by law. I authorize the
sheriff, or his designee, or, in the case of first class
cities, the chief or head of the police department, or
his designee, to inspect only those records or documents
relevant to information required for this application. If
I am issued a license and knowingly become ineligible to
legally possess or acquire firearms, I will promptly
notify the sheriff of the county in which I reside or, if
I reside in a city of the first class, the chief of
police of that city.
(d) Sheriff to conduct investigation.--The sheriff to whom
the application is made shall:
(1) investigate the applicant's record of criminal
conviction;
(2) investigate whether or not the applicant is under
indictment for or has ever been convicted of a crime
punishable by imprisonment exceeding one year;
(3) investigate whether the applicant's character and
reputation are such that the applicant will not be likely to
act in a manner dangerous to public safety;
(4) investigate whether the applicant would be precluded
from receiving a license under subsection (e)(1) or section
6105(h) (relating to persons not to possess, use,
manufacture, control, sell or transfer firearms); and
(5) conduct a criminal background, juvenile delinquency
and mental health check following the procedures set forth in
section 6111 (relating to sale or transfer of firearms),
receive a unique approval number for that inquiry and record
the date and number on the application.
(e) Issuance of license.--
(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the
purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's
person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an
investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the
applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause
exists to deny the license. A license shall not be issued to
any of the following:
(i) An individual whose character and reputation is
such that the individual would be likely to act in a
manner dangerous to public safety.
(ii) An individual who has been convicted of an
offense under the act of April 14, 1972 (P.L.233, No.64),
known as The Controlled Substance, Drug, Device and
Cosmetic Act.
(iii) An individual convicted of a crime enumerated
in section 6105.
(iv) An individual who, within the past ten years,
has been adjudicated delinquent for a crime enumerated in
section 6105 or for an offense under The Controlled
Substance, Drug, Device and Cosmetic Act.
(v) An individual who is not of sound mind or who
has ever been committed to a mental institution.
(vi) An individual who is addicted to or is an
unlawful user of marijuana or a stimulant, depressant or
narcotic drug.
(vii) An individual who is a habitual drunkard.
(viii) An individual who is charged with or has been
convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a
term exceeding one year except as provided for in section
6123 (relating to waiver of disability or pardons).
(ix) A resident of another state who does not
possess a current license or permit or similar document
to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is
provided for by the laws of that state, as published
annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the
Treasury under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(19) (relating to
definitions).
(x) An alien who is illegally in the United States.
(xi) An individual who has been discharged from the
armed forces of the United States under dishonorable
conditions.
(xii) An individual who is a fugitive from justice.
This subparagraph does not apply to an individual whose
fugitive status is based upon nonmoving or moving summary
offense under Title 75 (relating to vehicles).
(xiii) An individual who is otherwise prohibited
from possessing, using, manufacturing, controlling,
purchasing, selling or transferring a firearm as provided
by section 6105.
(xiv) An individual who is prohibited from
possessing or acquiring a firearm under the statutes of
the United States.
(3) The license to carry a firearm shall be designed to
be uniform throughout this Commonwealth and shall be in a
form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police. The license
shall bear the following:
(i) The name, address, date of birth, race, sex,
citizenship, height, weight, color of hair, color of eyes
and signature of the licensee.
(ii) The signature of the sheriff issuing the
license.
(iii) A license number of which the first two
numbers shall be a county location code followed by
numbers issued in numerical sequence.
(iv) The point-of-contact telephone number
designated by the Pennsylvania State Police under
subsection (l).
(v) The reason for issuance.
(vi) The period of validation.
(4) The sheriff shall require a photograph of the
licensee on the license. The photograph shall be in a form
compatible with the Commonwealth Photo Imaging Network.
(5) The original license shall be issued to the
applicant. The first copy of the license shall be forwarded
to the Pennsylvania State Police within seven days of the
date of issue. The second copy shall be retained by the
issuing authority for a period of seven years. Except
pursuant to court order, both copies and the application
shall, at the end of the seven-year period, be destroyed
unless the license has been renewed within the seven-year
period.
(f) Term of license.--
(1) A license to carry a firearm issued under subsection
(e) shall be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period
of five years unless sooner revoked.
(2) At least 60 days prior to the expiration of each
license, the issuing sheriff shall send to the licensee an
application for renewal of license. Failure to receive a
renewal application shall not relieve a licensee from the
responsibility to renew the license.
(g) Grant or denial of license.--Upon the receipt of an
application for a license to carry a firearm, the sheriff shall,
within 45 days, issue or refuse to issue a license on the basis
of the investigation under subsection (d) and the accuracy of
the information contained in the application. If the sheriff
refuses to issue a license, the sheriff shall notify the
applicant in writing of the refusal and the specific reasons.
The notice shall be sent by certified mail to the applicant at
the address set forth in the application.
(h) Fee.--
(1) In addition to fees described in paragraphs (2)(ii)
and (3), the fee for a license to carry a firearm is $19.
This includes all of the following:
(i) A renewal notice processing fee of $1.50.
(ii) An administrative fee of $5 under section 14(2)
of the act of July 6, 1984 (P.L.614, No.127), known as
the Sheriff Fee Act.
(2) (i) The Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and
Delinquency shall implement, within five years of the
effective date of this paragraph, a system in conjunction
with the Pennsylvania State Police and the Pennsylvania
Sheriffs' Association to standardize and modernize the
process of issuing licenses to carry firearms. Upon
implementation of the system under this paragraph, the
Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency shall
publish notice thereof in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.
(ii) An additional temporary fee of $5 shall be
remitted by the sheriff to the Firearms License to Carry
Modernization Account, which is hereby established as a
special restricted receipt account within the General
Fund of the State Treasury. Moneys and investment income
in the account shall be awarded as grants to sheriffs to
implement the system, including grants to reimburse
sheriffs for expenses incurred prior to the effective
date of this paragraph.
(iii) Moneys credited to the account and any
investment income accrued are hereby appropriated on a
continuing basis to the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime
and Delinquency. The commission shall establish
procedures related to the application process for and
distribution of funds to sheriffs under this paragraph.
Notwithstanding the provisions of subparagraph (ii), the
commission may withhold annually an amount not exceeding
5% of the funds credited to the account in that fiscal
year for the cost to implement the system under
subparagraph (i) and for administrative costs directly
related to the responsibilities of the commission under
this paragraph.
(iv) This paragraph shall expire five years after
its effective date. Any surplus funds remaining in the
account established in subparagraph (ii) at such time
shall lapse into the General Fund.
(3) An additional fee of $1 shall be paid by the
applicant for a license to carry a firearm and shall be
remitted by the sheriff to the Firearms License Validation
System Account, which is hereby established as a special
restricted receipt account within the General Fund of the
State Treasury. The account shall be used for purposes under
subsection (l). Moneys credited to the account and any
investment income accrued are hereby appropriated on a
continuing basis to the Pennsylvania State Police.
(4) No fee other than that provided by this subsection
or the Sheriff Fee Act may be assessed by the sheriff for the
performance of any background check made pursuant to this
act.
(5) The fee is payable to the sheriff to whom the
application is submitted and is payable at the time of
application for the license.
(6) Except for the administrative fee of $5 under
section 14(2) of the Sheriff Fee Act, all other fees shall be
refunded if the application is denied but shall not be
refunded if a license is issued and subsequently revoked.
(7) A person who sells or attempts to sell a license to
carry a firearm for a fee in excess of the amounts fixed
under this subsection commits a summary offense.

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[headcase]

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(i) Revocation.--A license to carry firearms may be revoked
by the issuing authority for good cause. A license to carry
firearms shall be revoked by the issuing authority for any
reason stated in subsection (e)(1) which occurs during the term
of the permit. Notice of revocation shall be in writing and
shall state the specific reason for revocation. Notice shall be
sent by certified mail to the individual whose license is
revoked, and, at that time, notice shall also be provided to the
Pennsylvania State Police by electronic means, including e-mail
or facsimile transmission, that the license is no longer valid.
An individual whose license is revoked shall surrender the
license to the issuing authority within five days of receipt of
the notice. An individual whose license is revoked may appeal to
the court of common pleas for the judicial district in which the
individual resides. An individual who violates this section
commits a summary offense.
(i.1) Notice to sheriff.--Notwithstanding any statute to the
contrary:
(1) Upon conviction of a person for a crime specified in
section 6105(a) or (b) or upon conviction of a person for a
crime punishable by imprisonment exceeding one year or upon a
determination that the conduct of a person meets the criteria
specified in section 6105(c)(1), (2), (3), (5), (6) or (9),
the court shall determine if the defendant has a license to
carry firearms issued pursuant to this section. If the
defendant has such a license, the court shall notify the
sheriff of the county in which that person resides, on a form
developed by the Pennsylvania State Police, of the identity
of the person and the nature of the crime or conduct which
resulted in the notification. The notification shall be
transmitted by the judge within seven days of the conviction
or determination.
(2) Upon adjudication that a person is incompetent or
upon the involuntary commitment of a person to a mental
institution for inpatient care and treatment under the act of
July 9, 1976 (P.L.817, No.143), known as the Mental Health
Procedures Act, or upon involuntary treatment of a person as
described under section 6105(c)(4), the judge of the court of
common pleas, mental health review officer or county mental
health and mental retardation administrator shall notify the
sheriff of the county in which that person resides, on a form
developed by the Pennsylvania State Police, of the identity
of the person who has been adjudicated, committed or treated
and the nature of the adjudication, commitment or treatment.
The notification shall be transmitted by the judge, mental
health review officer or county mental health and mental
retardation administrator within seven days of the
adjudication, commitment or treatment.
(j) Immunity.--A sheriff who complies in good faith with
this section shall be immune from liability resulting or arising
from the action or misconduct with a firearm committed by any
individual to whom a license to carry a firearm has been issued.
(k) Reciprocity.--
(1) The Attorney General shall have the power and duty
to enter into reciprocity agreements with other states
providing for the mutual recognition of a license to carry a
firearm issued by the Commonwealth and a license or permit to
carry a firearm issued by the other state. To carry out this
duty, the Attorney General is authorized to negotiate
reciprocity agreements and grant recognition of a license or
permit to carry a firearm issued by another state.
(2) The Attorney General shall report to the General
Assembly within 180 days of the effective date of this
paragraph and annually thereafter concerning the agreements
which have been consummated under this subsection.
(l) Firearms License Validation System.--
(1) The Pennsylvania State Police shall establish a
nationwide toll-free telephone number, known as the Firearms
License Validation System, which shall be operational seven
days a week, 24 hours per day, for the purpose of responding
to law enforcement inquiries regarding the validity of any
Pennsylvania license to carry a firearm.
(2) Notwithstanding any other law regarding the
confidentiality of information, inquiries to the Firearms
License Validation System regarding the validity of any
Pennsylvania license to carry a firearm may only be made by
law enforcement personnel acting within the scope of their
official duties.
(3) Law enforcement personnel outside this Commonwealth
shall provide their originating agency identifier number and
the license number of the license to carry a firearm which is
the subject of the inquiry.
(4) Responses to inquiries by law enforcement personnel
outside this Commonwealth shall be limited to the name of the
licensee, the validity of the license and any information
which may be provided to a criminal justice agency pursuant
to Chapter 91 (relating to criminal history record
information).
(m) Inquiries.--
(1) The Attorney General shall, not later than one year
after the effective date of this subsection and not less than
once annually, contact in writing the appropriate authorities
in any other state which does not have a current reciprocity
agreement with the Commonwealth to determine if:
(i) the state will negotiate a reciprocity
agreement;
(ii) a licensee may carry a concealed firearm in the
state; or
(iii) a licensee may apply for a license or permit
to carry a firearm issued by the state.
(2) The Attorney General shall maintain a current list
of those states which have a reciprocity agreement with the
Commonwealth, those states which allow licensees to carry a
concealed firearm and those states which allow licensees to
apply for a license or permit to carry a firearm. This list
shall be posted on the Internet, provided to the Pennsylvania
State Police and made available to the public upon request.
(n) Definition.--As used in this section, the term
"licensee" means an individual who is licensed to carry a
firearm under this section.

[jediofdark]

Hey all, I see this thread hasn't been written in for a while and I was wondering how everyone's LTCF went? I applied for mine a little over a week ago. My references were contacted and they answered and sent everything back already so I am just up to the waiting game now. I was reading though this thread and saw some of the toughness some of you were up against and I was wondering how it worked out for you guys?

[ByAnyMeans]

Hey,
I'm having trouble with a second reference and there is apparentyl no give by the sheriff regarding it. This sucks, between work and fixing up my house their is no time to meet people that i'm comfortable asking a reference from.

[jediofdark]

Originally Posted by ByAnyMeans

Hey,
I'm having trouble with a second reference and there is apparentyl no give by the sheriff regarding it. This sucks, between work and fixing up my house their is no time to meet people that i'm comfortable asking a reference from.

Yeah I hear you. By chance I met someone at my job that happened to be a Monroe County resident. We only spoke a few times but I got the guts up to ask her and she agreed. I felt so weird doing it but I needed a second reference. I like you have not really met anyone up here and I have been here five years! They should accept anyone as a reference not just your own county. If that was the case this would have been finished a long time ago. I am hoping it goes quick but from what I have been reading no matter how fast people get the references back you are still usually waiting over a month to get it finished.