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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    GLOCK 21.

    why? because it's a glock.

    it will pretty much always go bang with any ammo under any conditions even if it has been completely neglected (never cleaned, maintained) and abused (used as a hammer, etc.) from the time it left the factory.

    it will not rust.

    it is extemely simple to operate.

    in the very rare event something does go wrong with it, it is easy to find parts anywhere in the world and a monkey with a paperclip could fix it.

    (in general, any time you have the question of "what is the best combat handgun in X caliber?" just go to the glock website and find out what the model number is for the full size glock in that caliber...that will be your answer. )

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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by General Geoff View Post
    Mk23..


    Can I change my vote to the MK23? That's sweet!!!
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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by NineseveN View Post
    Since the 1911 is disqualified and I'm a little leary of .45 double stack 2011's in harsh places...
    What is your reasoning for that?

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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by NineseveN View Post
    My fault, I assumed this was just a verbal gun porn thread, but if you want to know why then I'll gladly oblige.


    HK USP .45

    1. Very reliable (http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html - http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31875)
    2. Accurate
    3. Already in use in military/tactical community, barrels for suppressors and tactical accessories/holsters are easily and readily available
    4. Can be had in almost any variant a user wants (DA/SA, DAO, control on left, control on right etc...)
    5. Very large trigger area makes use with gloves on easier than most other guns in the same caliber and class
    6. High capacity magazines
    7. Ambi mag release
    8. Low recoil
    9. Tough finish


    I’ve owned 2 USP’s, I liked them both (a compact in .45 and a full size in .40), probably would have kept the full size if it were in 9mm (the caliber of most all of my other guns), the trigger on the compact wasn’t very good IMHO, but the full-size was a very nice gun. If I saw a 9mm used, I would be very tempted to pick it up and switch it over to another variant…though I doubt my STI would be too worried.
    ^^This is my vote as well.
    I have a USP .45 Tactical, and I absolutely love it. I will also be buying it in 9mm.
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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    Like DaveM55 - I'm a Sig guy also, but I'd have to go with the Hk


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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    The USP didn't seem to do so well here.

    http://theprepared.com/index.php?opt...d=90&Itemid=40

    Staged? I don't know. Doesn't look like it, though.
    You can never have enough horsepower or ammunition.

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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    Springfield XD Tactical..........it's like a Glock......only better. All the praises for the Glock apply AND it's got the grip safety......factor in the cost savings over every other pistol mentioned thus far in this thread and given the reliability demonstrated in the many tests performed and it's a hands down contender.

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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlimShady View Post
    Springfield XD Tactical..........it's like a Glock......only better..
    LOL!

    Quote Originally Posted by SlimShady View Post
    All the praises for the Glock apply AND it's got the grip safety...
    You don't want a grip safety for a combat weapon. Actually, you want the fewest restrictions on what makes it go bang for a good combat weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by SlimShady View Post
    ..factor in the cost savings over every other pistol mentioned thus far in this thread and given the reliability demonstrated in the many tests performed and it's a hands down contender.
    Cost was never mentioned as a consideration to the OP, even though there isn't a difference between it and a Glock. Reliability? Glock is proven for over 20yrs. XD has a loooooooooong way to go to measure up.

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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by QuakertownRich View Post
    LOL!



    You don't want a grip safety for a combat weapon. Actually, you want the fewest restrictions on what makes it go bang for a good combat weapon.



    Cost was never mentioned as a consideration to the OP, even though there isn't a difference between it and a Glock. Reliability? Glock is proven for over 20yrs. XD has a loooooooooong way to go to measure up.


    I'd stack any XD up against any Glock in any torture test you'd care to implement. As for your grip safety comment......my only response to that it that the standard by which ALL combat pistols are generally measured came with a grip safety.

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    Default Re: What is the best "modern" .45 combat pistol out there?

    WADR - to answer the question accurately - which is the best - a person would have to have used them all. Otherwise, you have a popularity contest - which is OK but not the same thing as "best".
    About the body armor question, when FN designed the 5.7X28 back in the late 1980's, one design parameter was that it would penetrate "helmets and body armor at 50 meters" and not break up. That spec was for their P90 PDW. The pistol may do it (I own one and carry it.) but the ammo that will is not available to civvies.
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