Constitutional Crisis? nObama isn't a citizen.

[adymond]

Originally Posted by efwolfcub

A motion to dismiss is a response to the suit, though, so rule 36 under pa code doesn't apply - he gave a valid response to it already. What do you want, Obama to personally visit every crackpot who says 'He's a muslim!' or 'he's indonesian' or 'he's Kenyan', etc? does it matter at all that factcheck.org posted high-resolution pictures of the birth certificate, including the certificate number and the raised seal.

Not to mention, even though Howard Dean may despise the Clintons, do you -really- think that he would be so inept in his job as to not perform some verification that a primary candidate for the Democratic party was a US citizen before allowing him to run? I freely admit that Democrats and republicans have done stupid things, but are you expecting him to be that amazingly and incredibly retarded?

Jesus flipping Christ! Just because you say it is a Birth Certificate does not make it so. It is a Certificate of Live Birth not a Birth Certificate. The two documents are different.

[Morel42]

Originally Posted by adymond

Jesus flipping Christ! Just because you say it is a Birth Certificate does not make it so. It is a Certificate of Live Birth not a Birth Certificate. The two documents are different.

Ok darn it..

As much as I can find out (which is difficult considering the amount of biased blogs and other crap makes finding official information hard to find), and know from personal experience that a Certificate of Live birth is a copy of an original birth certificate..

It is verified and the information submitted is used for said verification..

Based on what you're saying is that anyone who wanted one could get a copy of a Certificate of Live Birth with no problem. This isn't the case at all..

Based on my personal experience you submit your Social Security number, place of birth, parents names, and date of birth to the registrars office, who then verifies that the information is correct and then accesses the original Birth Certificate..

They DO NOT give you the original. They NEVER give you the original. They give you a copy in some states, and in other states they give you this Certificate. This copy is 100% admissible and legal to use to verify US citizenship. I used mine to get my Passport, to get my Security Clearance, and every other legal processes. It is (for all purposes) a Birth Certificate.

Now, if you have evidence and documentation from the Hawaii State Gov't that shows that this is not the case please link it. I would really like to see it for myself and know for sure. I really mean this.. I want to know the truth.. lol

[adymond]

Originally Posted by Morel42

Ok darn it..

As much as I can find out (which is difficult considering the amount of biased blogs and other crap makes finding official information hard to find), and know from personal experience that a Certificate of Live birth is a copy of an original birth certificate..

It is verified and the information submitted is used for said verification..

Based on what you're saying is that anyone who wanted one could get a copy of a Certificate of Live Birth with no problem. This isn't the case at all..

Based on my personal experience you submit your Social Security number, place of birth, parents names, and date of birth to the registrars office, who then verifies that the information is correct and then accesses the original Birth Certificate..

They DO NOT give you the original. They NEVER give you the original. They give you a copy in some states, and in other states they give you this Certificate. This copy is 100% admissible and legal to use to verify US citizenship. I used mine to get my Passport, to get my Security Clearance, and every other legal processes. It is (for all purposes) a Birth Certificate.

Now, if you have evidence and documentation from the Hawaii State Gov't that shows that this is not the case please link it. I would really like to see it for myself and know for sure. I really mean this.. I want to know the truth.. lol

I am basing my comments off of my experience after the birth of my son. It's not that a CoLB is easy to get, but it is different than a birth cirtificate. From what I understand (and this is based on birth in NJ) after the birth of a child you fill out a paper and sign it. This form is the Certificate of Live Birth. It is sent to the Health Department. At that point a Birth Certificate is issued. Now if my wife had the baby at home and we went to the hospital at the Mother and Infant unit when they examined her and the baby we would have filled out the paper. It would then be sent to the Department of Health. The thing is if (I said IF just for those of you who insist we are stuck on the issue and claim it is true) he was born in Kenya he could still get a CoLB from Hawaii.

I have a few questions, but first is why will he not provide a "vault copy" to the federal court to shut this down? Also I have heard the timeline of when he went to Kenya with his mother as being after independance, but he has said his father did not come to the US until after Kenyan independance. that didn't happen until 1963. His father came to the US in 1959. His mother went back to Kenya with him in 1960 or 61 and Obama was born in 1961. His timeline is off by 4 years from reality so it can't be used to prove his mom didn't go to Kenya until after '61.

[Morel42]

Originally Posted by adymond

I am basing my comments off of my experience after the birth of my son. It's not that a CoLB is easy to get, but it is different than a birth cirtificate. From what I understand (and this is based on birth in NJ) after the birth of a child you fill out a paper and sign it. This form is the Certificate of Live Birth. It is sent to the Health Department. At that point a Birth Certificate is issued. Now if my wife had the baby at home and we went to the hospital at the Mother and Infant unit when they examined her and the baby we would have filled out the paper. It would then be sent to the Department of Health. The thing is if (I said IF just for those of you who insist we are stuck on the issue and claim it is true) he was born in Kenya he could still get a CoLB from Hawaii.

I have a few questions, but first is why will he not provide a "vault copy" to the federal court to shut this down? Also I have heard the timeline of when he went to Kenya with his mother as being after independance, but he has said his father did not come to the US until after Kenyan independance. that didn't happen until 1963. His father came to the US in 1959. His mother went back to Kenya with him in 1960 or 61 and Obama was born in 1961. His timeline is off by 4 years from reality so it can't be used to prove his mom didn't go to Kenya until after '61.

Well I know in PA, that you can't get a Vault copy (and I'm assuming you mean the actual original document.) they just won't give it to you.. Maybe someone could sue for it?

However, Hawaii is a different state.. I honestly don't know how it works.. And Hawaii's web presence seems a bit.. err.. incomplete..

[adymond]

Originally Posted by Morel42

Well I know in PA, that you can't get a Vault copy (and I'm assuming you mean the actual original document.) they just won't give it to you.. Maybe someone could sue for it?

However, Hawaii is a different state.. I honestly don't know how it works.. And Hawaii's web presence seems a bit.. err.. incomplete..

And any searches on Hawaii + Birth Certificate or Hawaii + Certificate of Live Birth brings up like 82 pages of blogs. But I also question the validity of the document due to the Adobe certified exams showing some doubt.