Soccer parents wince at prospect of guns at games

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by XRAY Joe

All I did was bring up what a private organization may be able to do while it is the authorized (or whatever you want to call it) user of a public field.

Yes and no. They can "rule" on things not preempted.

Originally Posted by XRAY Joe

If you rent a pavilllion in a park, can 20 other people come and use it while you are there? After all it is public property.

No. Apples to oranges.

The difference is pretty obvious.

Preempted vs not preempted.

[XRAY Joe]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Yes and no. They can "rule" on things not preempted.



No. Apples to oranges.

The difference is pretty obvious.

Preempted vs not preempted.

Doesn't the preempted rule apply only to municipalities? Or does it apply to a private organization using a public field? If that is the case an official or umipre cannot eject any fan for saying something that pissed them off because that would go against their freedom of speech.

I never said they would prevent someone from using a public park. I only said that they would prevent you from participating in the function. And that means you will be watching from somewhere else.

Municipalities have to follow that preemption, private organizations do not.

[4XLT]

now i aint no fancy lawyer or nuttin like that there but i would think state law would over rule anything wouldnt you ??

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by XRAY Joe

Municipalities have to follow that preemption, private organizations do not.

Correct. But only when seperate.

Once the private entity leases or otherwise uses the facilities of municipality, they are not allowed to restrict in a way that the leasor is not. It simply does not trump the legal bounds on the property owner.


So, no. A private org's rules against guns would not apply at a public park

[XRAY Joe]

I guess I was wrong. But isn't my freedom of speech example the same? Nobody is commenting on that. How does that happen?

[mjfletcher]

Originally Posted by XRAY Joe

I guess I was wrong. But isn't my freedom of speech example the same? Nobody is commenting on that. How does that happen?

1A freedom of speech is a restriction placed on Congress. State Constitution and law are silent on the matter. The State Constitution and state law however do expressly restrict any and all legislation and regulation concerning firearms to the state alone. Apples and Oranges

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

[exceltoexcel]

Rotz said the more people openly carry guns, the safer society will be. He hopes the ruling in Lebanon County will encourage more people to carry guns.

When asked what parents should do if they want gun-free soccer games, he answered, "They don't have that right."

Rotz has already said that he didn't say these things and/or taken out of context.

However>>>

I see nothing wrong with this if he did say it.

I hope more people carry firearms..

Society would be safer.

They don't have a right to have "gun-free" soccer games at a public place.

If they want to have a "gun-free" zone they can buy some land and make there own private park..

[normanvin]

Sure a league or a club can set rules and policies that are contingent on your participation. What they can not do is set rules or policies that are against the law.


I was at a function over the weekend. There was a gentleman there. he tried to tell me that you just can't oc, "its not legal"

You can't carry in Philly under any condition. He did not want to hear otherwise. He knew of people being arrested for it. He had even looked it up in the crimes code book.

Now we all know that is opinion is wrong. Does his opinion supersede the law?

[Statkowski]

Does his opinion supersede the law?

I guess you'll have to ask him that question.

[normanvin]

Originally Posted by Statkowski

I guess you'll have to ask him that question.

For his opinion right?