Philadelphia Meet & Greet Event - October 18th

[andrewjs18]

Originally Posted by stinkymcdoober

I just want to take a minute and say please read up the last couple pages of this thread before posting, it looks like a couple people are still concerned about the intention of this meeting and Drew already clarified a couple times, but people seem to be missing it before posting. I really hope no one backs out of this because it really seems like it's going to be a great time. Just a thought.

thank you! Finally, someone reads posts thoroughly before chiming in!!!!

Now lets not keep bashing myself and ccphilly and move on...

Knighthawk and Stinkymcdoober have both been to 1 of the meet & greet events before and it went as smooth as silk as Sober has mentioned others meets have in the past.

[danp]

Originally Posted by steveforopen

If someone openly carrying a firearm gets hassled, then it's not going to be any skin off the backs of those conceal carrying.

This is very not true. Such incidents can cause public backlash which is infinitely more likely to happen in Philadelphia than elsewhere. None of us have the time or resources to handle a public relations campaign to counter what the Philadelphia press would do us.

It amazes me how people do not understand simple politics and strategy.

[Pa. Patriot]

Ok, enough drama people.

It has been made very clear what the event in planning is, in the op.

It is a meet and greet, in Phila, where all carry is welcomed.

Simple.

If you are uneasy about attending a Phila get together where there will be people OC'ing..... don't go!

If you desire to have a meet and greet without OC, plan and host a meet and greet and request that folks do no OC.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by danp

This is very not true. Such incidents can cause public backlash which is infinitely more likely to happen in Philadelphia than elsewhere. None of us have the time or resources to handle a public relations campaign to counter what the Philadelphia press would do us.

It amazes me how people do not understand simple politics and strategy.

I think you make good points to consider in this thread. But people simply disagree with it, in some capacity or another.

Yes, Phila and OC is a subject that should be considered and undertaken with extreme care. On the other hand, I do not subscribe to the notion that any "incident" is bad for gun owners.
Hopefully people will take your avice and apply it to what they are *already predetermined to do* or already doing.

Example: I OC in Phila, and I will continue to do so. But I too encourage folks to be extra cautious about OC in phila, including taking extra steps and pains in planning to help minimize potential "negative" incidents.

[soberbyker]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Ok, enough drama people.

It has been made very clear what the event in planning is, in the op.

It is a meet and greet, in Phila, where all carry is welcomed.

Simple.
If you are uneasy about attending a Phila get together where there will be people OC'ing..... don't go!

If you desire to have a meet and greet without OC, plan and host a meet and greet and request that folks do no OC.

Seeing this for the second time ... yep it is a good idea. Hope all goes well.

Bill
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[danp]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Yes, Phila and OC is a subject that should be considered and undertaken with extreme care. On the other hand, I do not subscribe to the notion that any "incident" is bad for gun owners.

My point is simply that we have more than enough "incidents" we're already dealing with. We can not afford to spread ourselves too thin. We really need to focus on one or two good battles at a time, not potentially creating more before we've even finished fighting the first 4 or however many we have going on right now.

Philadelphia is the lions' den, people are proposing poking it with a stick, and as far as I can tell no one has any real plan on how to deal with the lions that may come roaring out aside from "ITS MY RIGHT AND ILL DO IT IF I WANT!"

[Pennywise]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

I think you make good points to consider in this thread. But people simply disagree with it, in some capacity or another.

Yes, Phila and OC is a subject that should be considered and undertaken with extreme care.

This has been stated a few times by different people in this and other threads.
My question is how much more care can be taken other than cancelling a perfectly legal activity that we are well within our rights to attend simply because of it's geographical location? The idea of political buttons was seen as a bad idea and shot down pretty quickly. I don't believe anyone want to alert the media or draw any undue attention to us.
Are we not being careful enough just because it in Philly? Are we missing something?

[Pennywise]

Originally Posted by danp

My point is simply that we have more than enough "incidents" we're already dealing with. We can not afford to spread ourselves too thin. We really need to focus on one or two good battles at a time, not potentially creating more before we've even finished fighting the first 4 or however many we have going on right now.

Philadelphia is the lions' den, people are proposing poking it with a stick, and as far as I can tell no one has any real plan on how to deal with the lions that may come roaring out aside from "ITS MY RIGHT AND ILL DO IT IF I WANT!"

Is it your opinion that this event should be cancelled?

[danp]

Originally Posted by Pennywise

Is it your opinion that this event should be cancelled?

No, but simply put, I don't want to read about this in the papers.

My opinion is that OC in Philadelphia is fine, with the caveat that if people (especially police) ask OC'ers to cover it up, they agree to do so realizing that OC rights are a stupid battle to pick in Philadelphia for the forseeable future. As I've said before, there is very little to gain and a whole lot to lose.

I'm not a giant fan of the idea that one guy with an agenda and an attitude can severely screw things up for people all over the state.

I'm going to be perfectly honest when I say I have not been terribly impressed with the way OC "incidents" in Pennsylvania have been unfolding lately, many of them smack of a severe lack of understanding of the larger picture.

I think there are far more important issues to put our time and effort into than OC in Philadelphia which would be a massively huge battle that would need to be very well planned out very carefully and supported well with both people and money. Activism-as-you-go is a losing strategy.

[andrewjs18]

Originally Posted by soberbyker

Seeing this for the second time ... yep it is a good idea. Hope all goes well.

Bill
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Sober-we'd like for you to come, but it seems you might be uneasy about being around people who OC in Philly?