The right for police to lie?

[dtree25]

Originally Posted by Wynder

If you say 'No' then, depending on the reason he pulled you over, he could cite you for inattentive driving or argue in court that you weren't paying attention. Answer the question with a question...

Q: "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

A: "How may I help you officer?"

How about-saying politely-I have no idea officer, but I'm sure you are going to tell me.

[Wynder]

Originally Posted by dtree25

How about-saying politely-I have no idea officer, but I'm sure you are going to tell me.

That's still a "No" and they can use it against you in court that you may have been driving inattentively.

Answer a question with a question.

[webgun]

Obtaining confessions using investigative techniques are the icing on the cake,so to speak, after enough pc has already been obtained. I'm sorry I just can't fall into that crybaby catagory that believes innocent people are arrested and convicted of crimes every day because police lie and use trickery on them.

[dtree25]

Originally Posted by Wynder

That's still a "No" and they can use it against you in court that you may have been driving inattentively.

Answer a question with a question.

yea, you're probably right, asking " how may I help" puts the ball back in their court, then they have to explain the reason for pulling you over.

[tes151]

Ok, so I'm not required to be truthful with a LEO and he can be less than truthful when questioning me. Looks like the best way to deal with an encounter is to say nothing other than what the encounter requires and leave. Some people watch way too much TV.

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by webgun

crybaby catagory that believes innocent people are arrested and convicted of crimes every day

it's not crybaby...it's owning up to reality.

see:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...onvicted_x.htm

http://www.innocenceproject.org

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oq=wrongly+con

and even if you don't get convicted, your life can basically be ruined. see:

richard jewel
brandon mayfield
willie early green
steven hatfill
etc. etc.

and then there is the whole issue of people having their money confiscated under RICO and never even being charged with a crime.

the simple truth is that just because you have not committed a crime most certainly does not mean you have nothing to fear.

additionally, talking to the police will only make it more likely this might happen to you. like it or not, that is just simple reality. it is not a good situation, but it is the way it is. being in denial about it will not make it go away.

[pacodelahoya]

Bottom line is, if you don't like police using "investigative techniques" on you, don't do the crime

How can you avoid a DUI checkpoint?

How can you avoid "matching the description" of a perp?

Accidently crossing the white line on the shoulder is enough cause to get pulled over. It's also enough to be made to exit my vehicle, say my abc's, stand on one leg, have a light shined in my eyes and various other methods used to trick one into admiting they have been drinking. All passed with flying colors I might ad. That wasn't good enough though, I then had to blow into a little tube. Which test, I again passed. All because I crossed the white line, while looking over my shoulder to merge, you know, checking the blind spot as we are taught. Yea, I guess I'm a criminal.



Every encounter with the police is an investigatory situation.

[pacodelahoya]

Heck, let's go one step further, since, only guilty people have things to hide, let's repeal the fourth amendment.

Webgun, I expect you to be first to invite the police in to search you and your families personal belongings.

If you didn't commit a crime, you should find nothing wrong with that......right?

[archon]

It is generally not a violation of your constitutional rights for investigators or police to mislead you, however there are some restrictions.

A police officer cannot promise you a lesser charge, immunity, etc. without actually doing so when trying to get a confession. This is why police always say, "now if you tell me what you did I will see if I can help you" and not "look if you tell me what you did I will make sure the DA only charges you with disorderly conduct instead of assault." The ambigious "we will see what we can do" is fine, but specific promises are not OK.

Also, overly aggressive interrogations where perhaps the officer comes up with a massive, shocking lie such as, "your actions today killed your mother - now in her honor you should 'fess up" when you mother has clearly not been killed would probably violate your rights and get that confession thrown out.

Furthermore, lies or a series of lies that "shocks the conscious" may violate your rights, but this is a high bar to pass.

This is, again, another reason why you should NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. Wait until trial to tell your side of the story when the police are under oath and if they lie then they can get charged with perjury. Keep in mind cops are not under oath when asking you question by the side of the road.

[webgun]

Sounds like some people have had some negative encounters with police, as within any profession. Luckily it's far and few between, unless you watch TV cop shows. I already stated my opinion.