The right for police to lie?

[pacodelahoya]

It is my understanding that police can say whatever they'd like and it's your job to know your rights.

If you are in doubt, read the above quote again.


You do not have to answer them, other than to identify yourself.

The police do not talk to you because they are your pal, they talk to you to get information.

You get pulled over for speeding (or an unconstitutional dui checkpoint). They ask, "where are you heading tonight sir?" Now what does that have to do with speeding? They are trying to get you to talk, to see if you are slurring, or if you can make intelligent conversation.

Another thing they ask is "do you know why I pulled you over?"

Always, always, always answer no. If you say yes, I was doing this or that, then you are getting a ticket, because you just admitted to whatever it is they pulled you over for, and your confession will be in the coments of the ticket.


May I search your car? Just ask, "Am I under arrest?", if they have to ask, they don't have enough probable cause to search.

Evrytime they ask you a question, reply with"Am I being detained, am I free to go?" Don't answer the questions they ask, just keep repeating your question. They are gonna have to answer it one way or another, and hopefully, it will be on tape. If they say yes, I am detaining you, then they had better have probable cause, or it's payday for you. If they say no, then just leave. You will not make any friends like that, but they have to play by the rules too.


Above all, don't take my advice as gospel, do your own research, I am not an attorney and I didn't stay at holiday in last night.





check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv8hoQYeVl0

[P-11 shooter]

*warning, the following statement MAY be viewed as cop-bashing. Parental discretion is advised*







Hmmm. Since the police make it a common practice to LIE to citizens, Is it really such a shock that people mistrust them?



P-11seriouslyfolksSHOOTER

[chugger95]

If you search on here there is a video somewhere that is about a half an hour long about why you shouldn't talk to the police. The first half is a lawyer talking to a group of college students about it. The second half is a police interrogator talking about how talking to the police will do one thing and one thing only "get you into trouble." He talks about how basically most of everything he will tell you is a lie. Even to the point of talking you into writing an apology to the victims family, so the judge will go easy on you even if you didn't do it, and then using that as and admission of guilt. It's pretty revealing. Before watching it I was all about explaning and trying to explain my innocence, after watching I now know to never talk. If they have something on you, you can explain your situation to the judge and jury in court with the company of an attorney.

[cLion]

Does anyone have a link for this? I came across it by accident, watched it, loved it, and FORGOT TO BOOKMARK IT!
If you have a linky, please post it in this thread. thanks!
cLion

Originally Posted by chugger95

If you search on here there is a video somewhere that is about a half an hour long about why you shouldn't talk to the police. The first half is a lawyer talking to a group of college students about it. The second half is a police interrogator talking about how talking to the police will do one thing and one thing only "get you into trouble." He talks about how basically most of everything he will tell you is a lie. Even to the point of talking you into writing an apology to the victims family, so the judge will go easy on you even if you didn't do it, and then using that as and admission of guilt. It's pretty revealing. Before watching it I was all about explaning and trying to explain my innocence, after watching I now know to never talk. If they have something on you, you can explain your situation to the judge and jury in court with the company of an attorney.

[pacodelahoya]

Don't know if this is what you want, but a little google fu got me this http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-...-to-the-police

[Carnes]

I think this may be the video you are looking for, if not it is well worth watching anyway.





The police absolutely can and do lie for the purpose of getting a suspect to incriminate themselves. For example, any time there are two suspects, the police will keep the suspects separate and tell each that the other one gave in and ratted them out for a lower sentence.

Just like it was said earlier answer every question with, "Am I being detained, am I free to go." If you do get arrested answer every question with, "I do not consent to any searches, and I will only speak with my attorney present."

[Steve in PA]

Originally Posted by P-11 shooter

*warning, the following statement MAY be viewed as cop-bashing. Parental discretion is advised*







Hmmm. Since the police make it a common practice to LIE to citizens, Is it really such a shock that people mistrust them?



P-11seriouslyfolksSHOOTER

Does the opposite also apply?

[Steve in PA]

Can the police lie? Depends.

First, if I am questioning you on the suspicion of a crime, you will have your rights read to you. Whether you choose to exercise those rights is up to you.

I can lie and say I have you on video tape doing this, that or the other thing....or I have a witness, etc. Why should that influence you into "confessing" to something you didn't do?

An officer can tell me that he has me on tape screwing a sheep......but if I know I didn't..........nothing in this world is going to make me confess to something I didn't do.

During a traffic stop I don't ask where you are coming from or where you are going, I could care less. I may ask you how you are doing tonight. And yes, I am trying to engage you in conversation. Its called doing my job. Maybe I saw you drift over the line, maybe your driving at night with just your parking ligths on (which by the way happens quite alot). Everyone wants DUI driver's off the road, but everyone also pitches a fit if a LEO tries to get this done.

I'm not about to lie to you and say I saw you do something I know you didn't do. And you are within your right to not say anything to me except that which is necessary to complete the stop.

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by Steve in PA

Does the opposite also apply?

Ahhh.. Touché'

Well, I guess yes. People DO lie to the police all the time. I think that is for self-preservation. When talking to a police officer the outcome your future lies in the words that come out of your mouth. If I had something illegal in the car, I certainly would lie, and possibly get away with it and go about my business, rather than tell the truth, and spend the night (or longer) in jail, and deal with costly legal consequences.

Good point Steve.

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by Steve in PA

I can lie and say I have you on video tape doing this, that or the other thing....or I have a witness, etc. Why should that influence you into "confessing" to something you didn't do?

An officer can tell me that he has me on tape screwing a sheep......but if I know I didn't..........nothing in this world is going to make me confess to something I didn't do.

It's been documented quite a bit that people have confessed to things they didn't do.

Some police will ask to "ask you a few questions" and when you say "OK" you've just consented to an interrogation.

Police have grilled people for hours, and hours at a time. and sometimes after 13 hours in a cramped, stuffy, hot interrogation room being threatened they sign some sort of confession just to get it over with.

I'm not saying that's how all police operate, but It has happened, and happened more often than we'd all like to think.