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We really have to get rid of some of the judges here in PA, and I think a case such as the one described below is ripe for appeal.
I don't like what this kid did, and if I were his parent I'd sure as hell punish him. But, for a school district to use their authority to suspend a child for something that was done outside of school is outside of their authority and an abuse of power. IMHO, it would be more reasonable for the principal to address the situation by talking with the parents outside of school, and if an agreement cannot be reached, then sue the children or their parents on charges of slander or libel. Article follows: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202424549808 Quote:
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I guess the only thing one can hope for in this situation is for an appeal to be heard...
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Mr. Round, I agree with you that the abrogation of speech and self-defense rights of students in schools is growing and abhorrent.
However, from what I read here, I have to agree with the ruling. This was not political nor even "creative/expressive" speech. The foul language is irrelevant. This was an attack on a school official - plain and simple. Had it been a listing of grievances, a call for replacement, etc. - Yes. Protected. The student's vitriol seems to stem from their in school contact and the punishment was handled within the bounds of the school "judicial" system. The fact that the "attack" occurred outside the bounds of the school does not negate the former. If the claims that the student made could be substantiated and were ignored, or the sentence was "unusual" then that would also be grounds for examination. Let me draw a couple of admittedly imperfect parallels. If the parties were a CO and subordinate soldier and the soldier takes an internet poke at the CO while off duty & base for grinding on him/her on duty, should it be handled under the military justice system - a few days in the brig maybe? If it were an employer/employee would it be unreasonable for the company to suspend the employee without pay? You can gripe to your buddies about you boss at the bar and get away with it. You can't put a billboard outside your company gate plastered with vitriolic lies and not expect direct consequences from the company. If they didn't respond they would retain no authority. |
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If the speech was made outside of school it is in no way within the powers of that school to punish for that speech regardless if the school or the employees thereof are mentioned in said speech.
End of story. Any judge ruling on this needs to be reminded of the limits of scope. If the principal feels attacked he can go through existing civil courts to settle the matter - it is not a matter for the school.
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There's an old lawyer joke, what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 70? "Your honor."
Judges often get it wrong, failing to grasp subtleties and even failing to understand the essential point of a case. That's why so many USSC decisions are 5-4, because about half of the justices have short circuits in their brains. Ginsburg in particular is capable of saying things that would make my dog cock her head sideways in puzzlement, as when she looked to Europe to determine what is "reasonable" to Americans. In this case, it sounds like this judge is one of those who fails to understand the role of limited government and delineated powers. He glossed over the difference between a school punishing in-school speech at a school assembly, and a school acting as local governor, regulating all acts of children who happen to attend that school. Even the legislature could not enact a law that punishes criticism of the principal, but the principal thinks that he can do so? Judges have to realize that when the people no longer trust the courts, then the people will take matters into their own hands. That's why fathers of raped children sometimes murder the rapist, because the system doesn't produce anything like justice. The solution to absurd rulings isn't to disarm all citizens as they enter the courthouses (ever wonder why they didn't feel the need to do that in the past?), the solution is to avoid issuing absurd rulings. |
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Maybe I'm a little dense this monday, but did the kid make or use the Myspace page while at school?
If the kid did it all from home or away from school - does that mean the school can expel the kid for touching a firearm/gun while target shooting, hunting, and self-defense because of the "zero-tolerance" program they all have now? Thats like being 18, going to Canada and getting legally smashed, then coming back and getting into legal/civil trouble here because of it.
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One of the most important reasons to fight for a respect for the Rule of Law from our politicians and appointed individuals is because of once a certain threshold of disrespect for the Rule of Law is reached there is no law to speak of.
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Children are not governed under the UCMJ, so that parallel is inappropriate. Neither is your employer a government actor, constrained to act within the Constitution, so that analogy is wrong, too. Schools are governmental agencies, children are compelled by law to attend (unless home schooled), so the rules are not the same as for enlistees or at-will employees. Would the school principal have been within his rights to suspend the student for exactly the same unsubstantiated attack on Sarah Palin? On President Bush? On the head of the Sewer Authority? Do students have free speech on all matters except regarding the principal? Can PennDOT suspend your driver's license if your MySpace page attacks the head of PennDOT? What's the difference? |
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