Drugs + guns = DEATH!

[P-11 shooter]

I've heard statements like this, and other things like it many, many times on this forum. I've heard people say they'd leave their gun at home if they were having one beer.

I've also heard that anyone irresponsible to use ILLEGAL drugs is too irresponsible to own a firearm.

Well, the case of the man who took a loaded gun to a hearing had me thinking. During a search of his house the police found a small amount of ILLEGAL marijuana. It has also been insinuated that this person is forum member PEX who many have pledged to support.

Well, this person IS a "criminal." He was found with illegal narcotics. And despite the fact that I think pot is less dangerous than alcohol, many people on here think these "addicts" should not be able to own guns.

Well, are we going to support this man?

Is he a patriot, or a criminal?

[pacodelahoya]

I find it Ironic that the judge can legally have a three martini lunch, kick back and have good stogie.....then sentence this guy to prison and deny him his civil rights for life.


Ain't it grand being free??

[policemedic]

Originally Posted by P-11 shooter

I've also heard that anyone irresponsible to use ILLEGAL drugs is too irresponsible to own a firearm.

Well, this person IS a "criminal."

You're correct. As such, I find myself unable to support this person owning or carrying firearms.

Is he a patriot, or a criminal?

Exercising 2A rights does not make one a patriot, in and of itself.

I will say that whether a person is thought to be a criminal or a patriot frequently depends on one's viewpoint. It is possible to be both. The founding of our great country was accomplished by men who were thought to be criminals of the most reprehensible and ignoble kind by some, and admirable patriots whose example should be held as the standard to be followed by others.

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by pacodelahoya

I find it Ironic that the judge can legally have a three martini lunch, kick back and have good stogie.....then sentence this guy to prison and deny him his civil rights for life.


Ain't it grand being free??

I've said this numerous times on the forum, but we're talking about taking away someones rights for LIFE for a small amount of Marijuana IN HIS OWN HOME!.

LIFE!!


But you can drive drunk and endanger a whole community and nobody wants so take away your guns.

[Robert Kayland]

Hobson Lyle McKown, of 592 Pierson Drive, Ferguson Township, was due in court to face summary charges of harassment, public drunkenness and disorderly conduct at 4 p.m. Tuesday, but in the hours leading up to the hearing, his strange behavior led court staff to think he was armed, according to court documents.

The guy sounds like a loose cannon... if I'm already due in court to face charges, there's no way I'm bringing a weapon to the building to "bust chops" (my term, since he called ahead of time and they said don't do it) that they don't have lockers and are therefore technically not within statute.

And then on top of that, to have illegal drugs in his apartment? Well, maybe that won't hold up, if they went to his apartment to look for more weapons, but again, that's just a technicality, and even if he can't be charged with it, the drugs were there nonetheless.

Support of members who are being unjustly persecuted is one thing... encouraging this type of errant behavior is another.

The point will soon be moot anyway... he's going to wind up forbidden to own firearms at all, let alone carry them.

Sorry, but the boy's on his own, in my mind.

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by policemedic

You're correct. As such, I find myself unable to support this person owning or carrying firearms.

I've seen many people who have never smoked a joint in my life that I would not want to own guns.

Just because a man smokes a little reefer does not mean they are irresponsible, OR pose a danger to anyone by owning guns.


I've seen discussions like this get pretty heated. I hope we can keep common sense in this discussion.

Zero tolerance leave no room for common sense.

[emsjeep]

alcohol isn't illegal, it isn't made illegally, it isn't smuggled into this country from places where it is grown under armed guard. Buying illegal drugs in many cases finances terrorism and violence both at home and abroad. How many drug dealers or higher level distributors don't have guns, they probably have more than you do. The drugs in and of themselves may not be harmful beyond what they do to the individual but the financial and supply systems connected to drugs certainly harms many many people. If someone doesn't care about the law enough to not commit one felony, then why should they think twice about any other?

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

Support of members who are being unjustly persecuted is one thing... encouraging this type of errant behavior is another.

True, there is more to this story than just the pot.

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by emsjeep

If someone doesn't care about the law enough to not commit one felony, then why should they think twice about any other?

having a small amount for personal use is not a felony. Personally, I think the criminalization of posesion creates far more crime than if if it were legal in the first place.

If you make it legal, and cut the dealers out of the loop you will be far more efective than trying to bust every single dealer on the streets.

That's a whole nother debate.

[emsjeep]

indeed it is a whole other debate, and you may be right, but the fact is that it is illegal and simple possession makes the purchaser a member of a system which employs violence and murder in its practice, and which feeds off of the addictions of poor and helpless people.