Drugs + guns = DEATH!

[emsjeep]

Originally Posted by XD40coyote

There are potheads like there are alcoholics, but at least with potheads they aren't getting aggressive and attacking others stupidly, nor are they speeding all over the roadways like drunk drivers tend to do. Probably driving too slow and weaving is more common with potheads. I don't even hear about driving while intoxicated cases of potheads.

Not true, not true, not true, not true. A DUI is just as dangerous as a DWI.

[Emptymag]

Yet another pro drugs and guns thread. Yippee.

At least it projects a positive image of gun owners... no, wait...

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by Emptymag

Yet another pro drugs and guns thread. Yippee.

At least it projects a positive image of gun owners... no, wait...

I don't think it's a pro-drug thread. It's a discussion about a (supposedly) forum members situation, and how we feel about certain aspects of his case.

Honestly, you could delete the whole damn thing and I wouldn't care, I'm just trying to get some open discussion in this discussion forum.

[Carnes]

Originally Posted by Philbert

I don't think the problem is zero tolerance since no lawbreaking should be tolerated. The problem is ridiculous mandatory minimum sentencing that tie the judge's hands and result in lengthy prison terms for nonviolent crimes.

Another major problem is the ever-expanding number of crimes (especially federal crimes). I think this is discussed in that video that everyone posts on why you should not talk to the police. There are thousands of federal crimes, and more are added each year. We continually talk about "felons" and whether or not they should have this or that right, but the definition of felon has been distorted beyond all recognition of its original meaning. When the Heller court spoke of the "longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons", they overlooked the fact that for most of history, the number of ways in which one could be a felon were far fewer than they are today. I can imagine the reaction if you went back to the founders and told them that one day people would lose the right to bear arms for possession of plants.

This is spot on!

If our system could focus on punishing people for breaking laws that mattered it could make a big difference in our society. We have so many laws that are based purely on fear that limit our freedom it would make the founding fathers sick. I just learned the other day that 'water-guns' are illegal in philly. This is insane.

Pot is illegal due to fear, suppressors require a $200 federal tax stamp due to fear, select fire rifles are costing upward of $16,000 because of fear based legislation... Apparently in some places freekin squirt guns are illegal... all this fear... what ever happened to, "The Home of the Brave?"

I consider it to be a tragic offense to all the people who died in an effort to protect and defend freedom that we allow ourselves to piss away so much freedom so easily.

I hope that if it is the case that if someone here was illegally detained for OC that it follows that the home was therefore illegally searched and that any information of other illegal activity is then thrown-out.

For the record, I could care less that he had pot, and I don't really even care that he broke the law. The legal system is so broke that I can't in good conscience pass judgment on others based solely on breaking a law. The law is supposed to protect peoples rights from being infringed by government and other people. Now here we have a guy that is potentially facing felony charges because he had a weapon for self-defense, he openly displayed it, and he allegedly liked to smoke dope. Who's freedom was infringed? How is the law protecting us from the accused in this situation?

If there was not so much BS legislation we might be able to have a society where the rule of law is respected, and genuinely believed in.

[jud4420]

Originally Posted by P-11 shooter

That's what most people believe, however you can lose them for.

1. Any crime that carries a possible sentence of more than ONE year. It doesn't matter what you got sentenced with, only what you COULD have been sentenced with.

2. ANY conviction under the controlled substances act. (including small amounts or paraphernalia)

3. If you are involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

I have to chime in to correct you here,

Possession of marijuana is only a prohibiting offense under the controlled substance act if you are convicted for a sentence that *could carry over 2 years. If its 2 years or less, its not prohibiting.

Now there is the clause that says abusers of alcohol or illegal drugs. But possession does not necessarily prove use.


ANd one more thing i just can help but clear up for the "drugs support terrorism" crew. Most pot in the US is grown here in the US or mexico. You dont "buy" seeds to grow it. Its not poppy seeds from Afghanistan used to make heroin - a drug that really does destroy lives, its pot. A legal substance up till prohibition, that was not removed from the list when alcohol was - as many many people in this country feel it should.

Believe it or not, MOST of the people i know, smoke or have at one time. Ive never EVER met a pothead who threw their lives away over it. Its not crack, or heroin, or coke, or amphetimines or any of those addictive drugs. When u see the lazy pothead stereotypes, those people are usually lazy with or without the pot.

Now some of you may think you dont know anyone who smokes pot, I guarantee you that you do. Doctors, lawyers, mayors, presidents, and probably even people in your own family(no matter how distant), smoke pot. And you dont know and probably will never know who those people are, because it doesnt effect their lives or yours.

Nothing disgusts me more, than people who have never done drugs, or lived that lifestyle even for just a moment, trying to tell the world as if they actually know something about it.

Ive been down that road. Ive done things that most of you probably have never heard of. I got in alot of trouble, ALOT. And some of it was kinda serious, but nothing that makes me prohibited. But you know what, I changed. I had kids and "grew up" a little, and my priorities changed. I made the decision to change and turn my life around. Pot didnt destroy my life back then. I did. Now I own several business and i enjoy the pleasure of working from home everyday. I have 2 very bright children who are very well behaved. My wife is a psychology major, and i too am about to go back to school for a degree. I hardly ever drink and when i do, it isnt much. I work everyday, just like the rest of you, I serve my community whenever i can, I pay my taxes, (a whole hell of alot of them) and Im not a danger to anyone. Im not a menace. IN fact if i had never taken this position and typed all this, most of you would have never known ive smoked whether you met me or not.

Now theres the valid argument that regardless of what anyone feels, pot is currently illegal in most states. But so was alcohol for a while. The same law that banned it, banned marijuana. People didnt agree with prohibition on alcohol but they still stood up for their right to drink, it was fought and changed. Again we arent talking about an addictive substance like coke or heroin or alcohol. So i say if people feel its their right to smoke then they should be able to fight for that right as any other without being labled an addict or a terrorist.

Jud4420

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by Carnes

If our system could focus on punishing people for breaking laws that mattered it could make a big difference in our society. We have so many laws that are based purely on fear that limit our freedom it would make the founding fathers sick.
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I consider it to be a tragic offense to all the people who died in an effort to protect and defend freedom that we allow ourselves to piss away so much freedom so easily.

Great points... wish I had more rep to spread!

[Brown-Bear]

Originally Posted by P-11 shooter

Just delete the motherfucker then.

I don't think it's a pro-drug thread. It's a discussion about a (supposedly) forum members situation, and how we feel about certain aspects of his case.

Honestly, you could delete the whole damn thing and I wouldn't care, I'm just trying to get some open discussion in this discussion forum.

Jeeeeze man, calm down. You're normally pretty level headed, but posts like that get someone's mom coming into class with a bath robe on.

Take a deep breath and hit the ignore button.

Dave

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by Brown-Bear

Jeeeeze man, calm down. You're normally pretty level headed, but posts like that get someone's mom coming into class with a bath robe on.

Take a deep breath and hit the ignore button.

Dave

I'm sorry, i'm tired. I'll go back and edit it. I got mad respect for emptymag and don't want to be a dick to him.

Had to throw the bathrobe comment in there

[Robert Kayland]

but posts like that get someone's mom coming into class with a bath robe on.

That's gotta be the new hip expression... cracks me up just thinking about it.

/on a side note, potheads are a shiftless bunch. Daddy used to call such folk "no-accounts".

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

That's gotta be the new hip expression... cracks me up just thinking about it.

/on a side note, potheads are a shiftless bunch. Daddy used to call such folk "no-accounts".

No, it's a true story. One of these days i'll post it.