Drugs + guns = DEATH!

[shooter357]

I have at least two close friends that smoke or at least used to. They did it for strictly personal enjoyment and in the privacy of the home. It didn't run their lives or interfere with there socialization. Even though I have never done any illegal drugs in my life I am not opposed to people toking up a fattie, so long as it doesn't interfere with their judgment. He did break the law but I would not catagorize him a criminal for that. With that in mind I would have to say that he is also not a patriot either.
Why did the police search the house anyway?

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by Joe Smith

As a person who has never smoked or done drugs EVER, and count on one hand the drinks I have had I feel comfortable giving an opinion.





Most of the laws we have on the books such as murder, rape, robery, reckless driving, tax evasion, ext... exist because when a person breaks them they cause harm to someone else. The same can not be said for ingesting substances of any kind. Actually, existing laws would cover any issues as they come up. DUI, harassment, ext... so I would be fine with removing laws in cases where the person is not harming anyone.



I also think less importance should be paid to speeding and more to reckless driving. However, "reckless" is subjective and we have radar guns so I doubt that will happen.

I agree. On everything.

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by ar15jules

Did he really care about his rights, or feel that he had the right to do anything?
Jules

True,

Ted Nugent said that even without a document to tell him that as a free man he is entitled to the right to self defense.

Joe Smith hit it on the head. I do not beleive it's the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot put on my body, and I think it should be legal to do so. If my actions while under the influence cause any harm to society I'm sure they are covered under one of the other many thousands of laws on the books.

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by policemedic

The central theme of the discussion appears to me to be whether a drug user should be accorded the ability to carry, or even own, firearms. Are they responsible citizens, or are they not?

I don't like the qualification of being a "responsible" citizen. Would a "responsible" citizen carry a firearm to a polling place, or a children's soccer game? Depends on who you ask.

I would submit that even a know drug-user should retain his right to own and/or carry a firearm until such time as he no longer is legally permitted to do so.

Or are we debating if they should be legally permitted even after prohibiting convictions (ie-the law is unfair)?

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by gnbrotz

Or are we debating if they should be legally permitted even after prohibiting convictions (ie-the law is unfair)?

It seems a bit of both.

[emsjeep]

Originally Posted by Joe Smith

As a person who has never smoked or done drugs EVER, and count on one hand the drinks I have had I feel comfortable giving an opinion.





Most of the laws we have on the books such as murder, rape, robery, reckless driving, tax evasion, ext... exist because when a person breaks them they cause harm to someone else. The same can not be said for ingesting substances of any kind. Actually, existing laws would cover any issues as they come up. DUI, harassment, ext... so I would be fine with removing laws in cases where the person is not harming anyone.



I also think less importance should be paid to speeding and more to reckless driving. However, "reckless" is subjective and we have radar guns so I doubt that will happen.

So 7-11 should sell crack next to the cigar case? Remove the drinking age restrictions? Smoking age? IN PURCHASING DRUGS ONE FUNDS HIGHER CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. Those are the people who rape, murder, smuggle and yeah the same Afgani poppy growing assholes that want to KILL US. How can you say that it doesn't hurt anyone? Even if you grow it yourself you have to buy the seeds from somewhere...
BTW...I have never done drugs, don't drink, never been drunk...etc, etc.

[Joe Smith]

Originally Posted by emsjeep

So 7-11 should sell crack next to the cigar case?

Some of the crap 7-11 sells might just be worse for you than crack! Ever look at those hot dogs?

Remove the drinking age restrictions?

Parents should decide when it is appropriate for their underage child to begin to sample. I know my wife had wine with dinner from time to time growing up. Child abuse laws are on the books to cover the situation. Of course it's a silly argument because nobody would want babies tossing back shots of Jack.


Of course underage drinking is already illegal, and kids still drink underage. Usually in the woods (leaving the cans behind) or at a friend's house. But if we had true education on the dangers of alcohol and cracked down on crimes committed under the influence (DUI) It should be fine.

Smoking age?

See above

IN PURCHASING DRUGS ONE FUNDS HIGHER CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. Those are the people who rape, murder, smuggle and yeah the same Afgani poppy growing assholes that want to KILL US. How can you say that it doesn't hurt anyone? Even if you grow it yourself you have to buy the seeds from somewhere...

Because it's currently illegal. I had a good post up there somewhere. because drugs are against the law we have to resort to people who rape and kill to supply them rather than a US based company with USDA regulations and safety through the court system. We would be better off putting those assholes out of business by taking away their honeypot!


B

TW...I have never done drugs, don't drink, never been drunk...etc, etc.

So we agree on something.

[Lycanthrope]

I don't want to debate the war on drugs. Many of you know that I have strong feelings about legalization of marijuana . Let's just leave it to the fact that I consider it a bad idea to legalize do to my work experience with the substance and families. Not to seem rude, but I won't even respond to comments on that anymore.

That being said....when you do anything that may fall under scrutiny you need to expect people to start asking questions. Depending on the circumstance......you may expect that some of your rights may be in risk of being violated. I am in no way saying this is correct, but it is the current state of affairs and you better have your ducks in a row.

There are no "white laws" like "white lies". When you fail to stop at a stop sign at 2am on a deserted highway and you get caught don't expect to win in court when you say "But.... there was no one there!". Just because you feel a law is asinine does not mean you will not be convicted of breaking it.

What if we took this situation and took the THC out of the equation. Say...a search of the home found an unregistered full auto gun instead of some Mary Jane....or a pipe bomb? It's no different. What is defined an illegal material is an illegal material regardless of intent or how we rationalize how it could...or could not...hurt someone else.

In the grand scheme of things if you are exercising a right to carry...whether OC or CC...and you are found to be doing something illegal.....you lose credibility......and do more harm than good.

Lycanclearwatersthrope

[ragu1macrider]

[Zero tolerance leave no room for common sense.[/quote]


No truer words were ever spoken.

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by ragu1macrider

[Zero tolerance leave no room for common sense.

No truer words were ever spoken[/quote]

Welcome to the forum Brother!


Lycan, you have more personal experience than any other person I know. Your views may differ from mine, yet I have not seen 1/100th of what you have. Thank you for your input.