Drugs + guns = DEATH!

[wa3ra]

Without a conviction, as far as we know, this guy just pissed off the wrong people. Was the pot his? Was it in his control? Did the deputies (who probably shouldn't have been there in the first place) bring it with them? Was the amount a summary offense, enough for an M3, and M1, or a felony?

When he was stopped for the alleged Dand D, did they find any on him then? Most 'stoners' I know wouldn't be far from their stash...and some of these guys are business owners, and productive members of society, even though you could get a contact high just by walking next to them on the weekend. I watched one of these guys get popped on TV, get to do the perp walk, the whole schmeil, and a trumped up 'trafficking' charge. Guy never sold so much as a seed to anyone...and the court rightly found that that was the case...just a harmless smoker that was being railroaded as an example because he had name recognition. He got unsupervised probation on ARD, and an expungement; in return, the agents didn't get sued or charged.

If he's found guilty by a jury of his peers, then he is guilty; after sitting on the longest-running indicting grand jury in the history of my county, I can safely see that I saw a lot of indictments handed down on people that were clearly not guilty of anything worse than bad judgement or pissing off the wrong person.

I'm just not going to condemn a person on hearsay, lies, and innuendo. I'll wait for the preponderence of the evidence and the results of trial, thank you very much.

The last time I checked, I believe that these rights were guaranteed by the Constitution, which is a helluva lot more than just the Second Amendment.

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[Eugene V. Debs]

Originally Posted by P-11 shooter

I've heard statements like this, and other things like it many, many times on this forum. I've heard people say they'd leave their gun at home if they were having one beer.

I've also heard that anyone irresponsible to use ILLEGAL drugs is too irresponsible to own a firearm.

Well, the case of the man who took a loaded gun to a hearing had me thinking. During a search of his house the police found a small amount of ILLEGAL marijuana. It has also been insinuated that this person is forum member PEX who many have pledged to support.

Well, this person IS a "criminal." He was found with illegal narcotics. And despite the fact that I think pot is less dangerous than alcohol, many people on here think these "addicts" should not be able to own guns.

Well, are we going to support this man?

Is he a patriot, or a criminal?

Don't know him, don't know the circumstances, didn't bother to read the responses here, because if he didn't violate anyone else's rights I 100% support his right to own a firearm. You only give up your rights by violating another's. Some may disagree, but for me the subject is not up for debate-- if he didn't hurt someone else he has a natural right to own firearms regardless of whatever unjust laws are on the books-- case fuckin close.

[emsjeep]

Originally Posted by P-11 shooter

That's one of the main pitfalls of marijuana legalization.

With alcohol it's easy for "the man" to figure out just how much you have in your system almost intantly. They can't tell how much reefer you've smoked. it could be a hit, or an ounce.

You can still fail a DUI test though and be taken off the road? Driving impaired is driving impaired, sleep, Pot, Alcohol etc...?

Originally Posted by Eugene V. Debs

Don't know him, don't know the circumstances, didn't bother to read the responses here, because if he didn't violate anyone else's rights I 100% support his right to own a firearm. You only give up your rights by violating another's. Some may disagree, but for me the subject is not up for debate-- if he didn't hurt someone else he has a natural right to own firearms regardless of whatever unjust laws are on the books-- case fuckin close.

I'll smoke to that...well...my roomate can smoke one for me, but you get my general sense of approval.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by granuale

Frenchy if you drove a car today, you broke the law.

Well seeing you know me so well, why not explain what I might have done to make driving a car today Illegal?
Better yet, seeing you do not know me, have no Idea who I am other then on the board here, why not STFU. I dont need stupid people telling me I am doing things against the law when I know I am not.

[jsb889]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Well seeing you know me so well, why not explain what I might have done to make driving a car today Illegal?
Better yet, seeing you do not know me, have no Idea who I am other then on the board here, why not STFU. I dont need stupid people telling me I am doing things against the law when I know I am not.

GET HIM IN THE RIBS!

[pacodelahoya]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Well seeing you know me so well, why not explain what I might have done to make driving a car today Illegal?
Better yet, seeing you do not know me, have no Idea who I am other then on the board here, why not STFU. I don't need stupid people telling me I am doing things against the law when I know I am not.

Did you use you turn signal when you pulled out of the driveway? Did you cross the yellow line? How about the white one? Frenchy I am from just across the river in Rochester, I know that you can't drive in Pa at this time of year and stay completely in your lane on the rural roads. Did you put any fuel additives in your gas tank? Make sure they are epa approved. Did you come to a complete stop at that stop sign?

Do you know every law pertaining to motor vehicles in the commonwealth? How about all of the federal laws dealing with emissions and stuff on top of that? Most police don't know the whole code, it's about two inches thick.

It is a safe bet, that you violate any number of laws on the books any time you drive.

That does not make you a scoff law or a criminal, there are just way to many laws.

I can't legally build or even repair a simple dry stack sandstone retaining wall in my backyard, no matter the height here in Rochester Township. I and both my neighbors own over an acre of property. Replace your 1.6 gallon flush toilet with a 1.65 gallon flush toilet, you are in violation of epa regulations.

Don't take what Granuale said so personally, he was just trying to make a point.

The point being, what is illegal ain't necessarily wrong and what is legal ain't necessarily right.

[Carnes]

[eXceLon]

Originally Posted by emsjeep

alcohol isn't illegal, it isn't made illegally, it isn't smuggled into this country from places where it is grown under armed guard. Buying illegal drugs in many cases finances terrorism and violence both at home and abroad. How many drug dealers or higher level distributors don't have guns, they probably have more than you do. The drugs in and of themselves may not be harmful beyond what they do to the individual but the financial and supply systems connected to drugs certainly harms many many people. If someone doesn't care about the law enough to not commit one felony, then why should they think twice about any other?

All of those things are only true because marijuana is illegal. When alcohol was made illegal during prohibition, organized crime exploded as well with many of the same results as the current war on drugs.

[NY Refugee]

This is a great debate, gee take us firearms owners seriously, respect our rights, OH and when we do something stupid or irresponsible who are you to judge. WTF over.

[MadamRaven]

WOW...

i've read through most of the thread but not all so forgive me if i missed something...

first of all, what exactly led to a search and seize of his home? what actual crime did he commit here? i'm unclear.

secondly, where do they get off taking his weed? did they also take any pain killers or muscle relaxers prescribed by a doctor, that he could have been under the influence of? did they check his coffee pot or his for the caffeine content to be sure that he wasn't out in public on a overdose of caffeine?

third, somewhere along the line someone made mention of pot smokers getting weed from other countries and causes violence and shit... you watch too much tv. it's all lies. most of the weed folks around here smoke came from around here...you may not want to admit it, but your neighbor probably grows it. wake up...step away from the media's ploys...

if I want to smoke in the privacy of my own home, it's nobody's business but my own. I am not hurting anyone including myself. we aren't talking about crack or heroin or PCP. Nobody's out there prostituting themselves for weed. it's a plant that takes the edge off for a lil while. so you all can take your xanax or whatever your DR is giving you or go to the bar for a few after work and then drive home while i'm on the streets with my kids in the backseat, and I'll stick with what the Earth gives me.