concerns about a disarm and level of skill?

[Captain]

First let me state that I am in no way against OC. If that's what you want, it works for me. I do have a couple concerns that I'd like to thro out to you.

First, for the folks that OC, are you concerned that a person with bad intentions may attempt to disarm you? Have you taken any precautions to help avoid this? Have any of you taken a weapons retention training program?

Second, are you satisfied that your level of skill with a sidearm is sufficient if the cloud goes up? I shoot a lot. I am in the presence of lots of people at different shooting clubs and form what I see, there are a lot of people out there that I would rather not be carrying a gun (concealed or OC). I also know several people who carry concealed and I am not real comfortable around.

I'm not knocking anybody here, just looking for some info.

Thanks,

[DaveM55]

popcorn, peanuts, cotton candy. LOL

You really should done a search.

All these questions and more have been answered before.

But hey, welcome to the forum.

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by Captain

First let me state that I am in no way against OC. If that's what you want, it works for me. I do have a couple concerns that I'd like to thro out to you.

most of these questions have been asked and answered and argued numerous times. if this thread ends up getting locked, don't take it personally. it's just that the shitstorm you have likely unitentionally created flies around here on a weekly basis.

First, for the folks that OC, are you concerned that a person with bad intentions may attempt to disarm you?

the standard response from OCers is to ask for any evidence that this actually happens in the real world.

the standard reply from the anti-OCers is to quote examples of police officers being the victim of gun grabs.

the standard retort from the OCers is to say that police officers (who have a duty to not retreat and also to seek out bad guys) and civilians (who have a duty to retreat and to avoid bad guys) is apples and oranges and please provide a case of a civilian OCer, not an LEO, being the victim of a gun grab.

i personally have never seen anyone be able to come up with such a case, but who knows...

Have you taken any precautions to help avoid this? Have any of you taken a weapons retention training program?

many OCers do seem to have done this...but not all of them.

Second, are you satisfied that your level of skill with a sidearm is sufficient if the cloud goes up? I shoot a lot. I am in the presence of lots of people at different shooting clubs and form what I see, there are a lot of people out there that I would rather not be carrying a gun (concealed or OC).

i am going to turn this around on you a bit...

what do you mean by "i shoot a lot". if you are talking about stationary bullseye shooting on a square range, then i would say you prolly aren't much more prepared to use your carry gun in a real world situation than people who don't shoot much at all.

if you are talking about having training and practicing tactical/combat skills, then you prolly are.

in any case, though, personally, i don't think anyone (including the government) has any business saying who should or should not carry.

but, i certainly do advocate that people get training and practice tactical/combat style shooting (as opposed to just bullseye shooting).

[Pa. Patriot]

As others have pointed out, you can read a lot about the subject of part of your post by searching. I encourage you to do so.

In a nutshell, most people that OC will respond that they use a retention holster of some sort and/or have retention training. More of the of the former than the latter. And most of use highly encourage both retention/FOF training as well as retention holsters for OC.

That said, while you will find folks here that agree with you on your desire to prohibit *some* people from carrying you will see more folks taking the self defense is a basic human right angle. Personally, If I see someone at the range that I do not feel comfortable with carrying a gun I encourage them to seek training or offer to help them myself. Politely and usually without their knowledge *why* I am offering.

I personally believe that everyone has the right to self defense, which means they have the right to be armed. Period. With freedom comes risks and responsibilities. I accept the risks and take every opportunity to remind people of their responsibilities (safety) in hopes it reduces the risks.

Lastly.... Welcome to PAFOA

[Captain]

OK, well I tried to preface this with "Im not saying anything against OC". I am just curious what the people who do OC will respond with.

As far as prohibiting anybody from carrying, no way. That's not me at all. I am concerned but not in that respect.

As far as trainign with firearms, I've attended at least 2 major schools every year for the past 18 years. I've been all over the country and trained with lots of different types of instructors. I have won shooting matches on a state and even national level on occasion. My shooting's not a problem, but I do try to stay sharp with tactics using a firearm.

I have also been teaching everything from the very basic firearms to pretty advanced firearms for 16 years now.

Never intended to be a flame and I will surely use the search function to explore this further.

Thank you,

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by Captain

Never intended to be a flame and I will surely use the search function to explore this further.

I don't think anyone took it as a flame, just trying to answer your Q the way it was presented.

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by Captain

Never intended to be a flame

i didn't think you did.

it's just that this topic often seems to devolve into a flame fest.

so far, though, this thread does not seem to have gone in that direction.

(btw, i don't OC much personally...only in the woods. i just find that, for me, CC is generally a better option. but i respect the choice of those who do OC and understand and accept their reasons for doing so.)

[PennsyPlinker]

Originally Posted by Captain

OK, well I tried to preface this with "Im not saying anything against OC". I am just curious what the people who do OC will respond with.

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Never intended to be a flame and I will surely use the search function to explore this further.

When you do your search, you will find out that quite a few thread start out with the same words you started out with. Then it all goes to the bad place in a handbasket soon enough.

For myself, I use a retention holster, I have a huge personal space, and if I am going to be in very close, crowded conditions, I CC. I divide my time shooting between shooting for accuracy and shooting to hit the target in COM and head shots. I shoot from various positions, and am working on expanding that even more.

Back in the old days I used to wrestle, and then took a lot of hand to hand combat training - to the point where I was teaching it. I'm not in the shape I used to be in, but I am still not feeble yet.

[CommonHighrise]

Yes, Im concerned over a gungrab. Yes, I have taken training in my lifetime in hand-to-hand defense. No, not specifically for gun grabs. Yes, I am confident in my ability, enough that if anyone goes for my gun, I'll break their sh*t off.

[algoesfast]

I do use a retention holster when I OC. I go to the range every week. Most times twice a week. I am very aware of what is going on around me. When ever I am near another person (5-10 foot) my right forearm will push my sidearm into my side. When at the range I will always draw from my holster and fire at targets from 25 to 50 foot away.
Now the other day I thought I would draw while moving to my right and fire 3 rounds at the target. I had two targets side by side. So I fired at the one to the left. My heart sank into my socks. I hit the one on the right with all three shots. It opened my eyes alot. More practice is needed and I will be sure to stop moving. Before firing at bad guys. Its good to know that hitting what your aiming at while moving is very very hard (at least for me). Because of my little experiment I now know one more thing not to attempt in a real world situation.
By the way, I hate crowds so I never go to any place with them. With or without a weapon.
I think maybe I will look for some type of school to help me with defensive shooting tactics.