United States District Court-Phila.

[Siobhra]

Does anyone know if the Federal Courthouse has gun lockers at the entrance? I really don't want to leave the gun home on a trip into Killadelphia for Jury Service.
And if so are they at the 6th Street Entrance? (Juror entrance)

[Statkowski]

Federal Courthouse = no guns, no storage facilities, if you carry there expecting such you will be arrested, prosecuted, and will lose your firearm.

[SuperMoose]

I was there visiting one of the justices the other day. Don't even think about bringing a gun in there. The sign very clearly states no firearms, weapons, explosives, etc.

[pex]

Originally Posted by SuperMoose

The sign very clearly states no firearms, weapons, explosives, etc.

They post signs like that in PA before security checkpoints also. Obviously the security checkpoint is somehow exempted.

Signs are not king.

[Siobhra]

They have signs like that in Norristown Courthouse but they have lockers at the security checkpoints. We we hold our yearly rally in Harrisburg we overflow the security checkpoint lockers.
I have spent half the day on hold waiting for the first available operator in the Philly Federal Courthouse trying to get an answer.

[MrUgly]

§ 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities


(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to— (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

(e) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).

(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section: (1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 21/2 inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

[Scubastevie00]

I've been there a few times and have never seen them.. They are nazi's there.. You'll be fine downtown in that area... There are is more security in that area during the day than you can shake a stick at..

[MrUgly]

Originally Posted by Scubastevie00

I've been there a few times and have never seen them.. They are nazi's there.. You'll be fine downtown in that area... There are is more security in that area during the day than you can shake a stick at..

Murder millions of defenseless citizens do they? Engage in a systematic campaign of genocide? Wow, the Federal Police are getting nasty.

Try not to bandy about the word "Nazi". Actual, real people were murdered and saying someone is a Nazi is comparing them to an organization that murdered millions of human beings for no reason.

[General Geoff]

The United States has murdered plenty of Native Americans in the past. Josef Stalin murdered tens of millions of his own countrymen during the Purges. The Spanish Inquisition resulted in untold numbers of dead.

The Nazis don't have sole title of being "ineffably evil."

We use the term nazi to describe people and/or organizations who act like certain Nazi personnel and organizations, such as the Gestapo. Would you prefer we used "DHS agents," or "KGB operatives"? Because really, they're about the same thing (in this context of being over-zealous and rules-driven).

[MrUgly]

Originally Posted by General Geoff

We use the term nazi to describe people and/or organizations who act like certain Nazi personnel and organizations, such as the Gestapo. Would you prefer we used "DHS agents," or "KGB operatives"? Because really, they're about the same thing.

DHS Agents works for me. Soulless Minions of Orthodoxy is fine too. I didn't say the Nazi party had the corner on evil, I said comparing a police officer doing his job to a murderer is wrong. I stand by that statement. It's intellectually lazy to whip out "He's a NAZI!" when describing someone you think is overly harsh. 'I can't think of anything clever so I'll just use this word.'

Feh. I can't stop anyone from calling anyone else a Nazi. Just know that the people that use it in casual conversation lose my respect. If they can't be bother to make an intelligent point without verbal hyperbole, I can't be bothered to acknoledge the point they are making.

Originally Posted by General Geoff

Because really, they're about the same thing.

Oh? Here are two pictures of what the Nazi's did. Please describe to me, providing references, where DHS or the ATF or PA State police have engage in this behaviour.