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Very interesting perspective to say the least. I look at things a bit differently but to each his own.
I heard an interview with some Wisconsin folks during the Dem primaries and one lady said she didn't want to vote for Hillary because Bill would be in the White House and that would be a distraction. Again, people have some "interesting" and bizarre ways to validate their choices.
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He was just put through "rendition". A tactic that is not only legal in the US, but openly practiced by us all over the world.
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Umm no. Keeping people in cages and beating them is not practiced by us. We do use some tactics that are not "nice," but they do not raise to the level of what POWs went through in Viet Nam. Don't even try to compare them. I guess you also think Guantanamo Bay is like the Gulags and Concentration Camps too right?
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Torture is torture. Under whatever brush you attempt to paint it as.
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Torture is torture. you are right. Waterboarding, sleep deprivation, harsh questioning. Those things are NOT torture.
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The fact of the matter is that McCain has sacrificed and/or suffered more in the name of his country than Obama has. I don't like either candidate, but IMHO it's an insult to McCain's service to his country to argue the finer points of if and how he was tortured, especially when comparing him to someone who hasn't served.
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Sorry to be a bit irreverent. That's just me. I think it is outright disgraceful to try to minimize what John McCain and MANY other US soldiers had to endure in Viet Nam and to try to imply that we use the same tactics. If we do I haven't heard of them and I am sure it would be blasted from every roof top. What happened in Abu Ghrab was not sanctioned so no as a government WE did not participate. That shit will happen and will be punished. What happened in Viet Nam to our guys was sanctioned by the NV government.
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