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    Recently I have been going to Gander mountain a lot cc and never had an issue.

    One day a couple weeks ago I wanted to bring my Glock in for some gunsmith work so I put it in the hardside case with loaded mags next to it but not in the gun and the chamber clear of any rounds. I walked in mind you I was also cc my 357 at the time. The girl at the desk says to me Excuse me sir but is that a pistol in that case. I replied yes it is (thinking to myself wonder what her first hint was th glock logo on the entire side of the case or the warning sticker for children on the other side of the case.) She then tells me that I would need an escort to bring it back to the gunsmith. I looked at her like she had two heads and said even if I show you that I have a LTFA to this she replied it is company policy. So I complied. When my escort arrived it was an associate I had dealt with before. He looked at me and smiled because he knew I was cc as well. He told me that there policy is the employee must carry the weapon and it must be free of any ammunition while doing so. we got a bag and took the bullets from the magazines and placed them in the bag then he carried the box and the bag in separate hands back to the shop to work on my issue. I expressed to him my concern of this policy infringing on my rights and circumventing the laws of the state.

    At that time he informed me he himself was upset with the policy as he has an LTFA and cannot carry at work however the customers can. I said really that is strange as I just needed an escort to get in. He informed me it was because it was obvious it was a gun case and a pistol.

    About a week or so later they put up a new sign on the door that reads ALL Firearms and Bombs must be checked at front desk then in small print it says this does not apply to CCW permit holders. However PA does not issue a CCW it only issues a LTFA.

    Humm maybe if I print up my own CCW it would get me around all this confusion as it did not say that the CCW had to be from any particular issuing authority.

    What about if we had some printed up from the PFOA Might be interesting to see the reaction of that among those that would twist the rules.

    They also have a policy that they have to walk you out with any new gun purchases. I wonder if i buy another gun and ammo from them if I could simply load it right there and tuck it in my belt and cover it with my shirt as I have a LTFA. then the empty box would not contain a firearm when I left the store at all. Therefore omitting the need for an escort out of the store after purchasing a weapon especially if I would only just be doing the same thing in the car anyhow to go and carry it.
    Last edited by Kevin3824; August 5th, 2008 at 03:29 AM.
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    LTFA?

    I think you mean LTCF--license to carry firearm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin3824 View Post

    ..............PA does not issue a CCW it only issues a LTFA.......
    What's a LTFA??

    I assume you mean a LTCF (License To Carry Firearms)
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD45 View Post
    LTFA?

    I think you mean LTCF--license to carry firearm
    Beat me to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD45 View Post
    LTFA?

    I think you mean LTCF--license to carry firearm
    ok I typed it wrong cut me some slack as it was posted at approximately 4 am and it is now after 5 am and I still have not slept yet.


    I am going to sleep now though

    goodnight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin3824 View Post
    Recently I have been going to Gander mountain a lot cc and never had an issue.

    One day a couple weeks ago I wanted to bring my Glock in for some gunsmith work so I put it in the hardside case with loaded mags next to it but not in the gun and the chamber clear of any rounds. I walked in mind you I was also cc my 357 at the time. The girl at the desk says to me Excuse me sir but is that a pistol in that case. I replied yes it is (thinking to myself wonder what her first hint was th glock logo on the entire side of the case or the warning sticker for children on the other side of the case.) She then tells me that I would need an escort to bring it back to the gunsmith. I looked at her like she had two heads and said even if I show you that I have a LTFA to this she replied it is company policy. So I complied. When my escort arrived it was an associate I had dealt with before. He looked at me and smiled because he knew I was cc as well. He told me that there policy is the employee must carry the weapon and it must be free of any ammunition while doing so. we got a bag and took the bullets from the magazines and placed them in the bag then he carried the box and the bag in separate hands back to the shop to work on my issue. I expressed to him my concern of this policy infringing on my rights and circumventing the laws of the state.

    At that time he informed me he himself was upset with the policy as he has an LTFA and cannot carry at work however the customers can. I said really that is strange as I just needed an escort to get in. He informed me it was because it was obvious it was a gun case and a pistol.

    About a week or so later they put up a new sign on the door that reads ALL Firearms and Bombs must be checked at front desk then in small print it says this does not apply to CCW permit holders. However PA does not issue a CCW it only issues a LTFA.

    Humm maybe if I print up my own CCW it would get me around all this confusion as it did not say that the CCW had to be from any particular issuing authority.

    What about if we had some printed up from the PFOA Might be interesting to see the reaction of that among those that would twist the rules.

    They also have a policy that they have to walk you out with any new gun purchases. I wonder if i buy another gun and ammo from them if I could simply load it right there and tuck it in my belt and cover it with my shirt as I have a LTFA. then the empty box would not contain a firearm when I left the store at all. Therefore omitting the need for an escort out of the store after purchasing a weapon especially if I would only just be doing the same thing in the car anyhow to go and carry it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin3824 View Post
    ok I typed it wrong cut me some slack as it was posted at approximately 4 am and it is now after 5 am and I still have not slept yet.


    I am going to sleep now though

    goodnight

    Theres nothing wrong with being confused, and then corrected on a subject. Now you'll know for when your educating the general public, but it clearly was not a typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin3824 View Post
    About a week or so later they put up a new sign on the door that reads ALL Firearms and Bombs must be checked at front desk then in small print it says this does not apply to CCW permit holders. However PA does not issue a CCW it only issues a LTFA.
    That type of sign is standard at all GM's I've been in, and at many other outfitter type stores. I have OC'd in my local GM multiple times without issue. "CCW" is a commonly used term around the country, and I'm sure these signs come from corporate, rather than each manager creating their own.

    I have no problem with their 'safety policy' for guns being brought in for repair, etc. And further, as a private property owner, I respect their right to forbid the carry of ALL firearms on their property. That right is no less sacred than our right to carry.
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    I'm sure that their walk you out policy has something to do with some idiotic insurance regulation... Not necessarily a corporate policy first...

    IIRC Bass Pro and Cabelas have similar checking of firearms and bows policies, not sure about walking you out, as I've never purchased a firearm at either.

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    LTFA = License to Fool Around! 008ball, as opposed to 007, license to kill.

    Seriously though, fooling around and ignorant gun owners are why they want to have someone escort the gun owner and carry the unloaded gun around the store. There are lots of people who don't know what they are doing, and aren't about to be told, so it is a good idea for the store to have a policy that ensures no one is going to be shot by an idiot. Since they do recognize your right to carry a gun on your person, they really aren't infringing on anything.

    I've had the same thing happen to me at Cabela's. I've had a gun OC on my hip and they still escort me to the door with my new gun!

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    I think this is policy, becuase I have bought 2 guns from gander mtn in harrisburg and both times they walked me to the front door with them. I think the last time i was there the sign in harrisburg read that all firearm must be checked at the front counter (small print) "this dose not apply to CCW holders......BUT i think thats olny if you are carrying not getting service on your firearm

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