HR 5501 – Bend over and lube up

[WhiteFeather]

Note the bend over and lube up is my comments and was NOT included in Harry Schneider’s orginal email

This morning (July 31, 2008) C-SPAN broadcast President Bush signing HR
5501. Features of this new law include a commitment of an additional 48
billion dollars to fight global AIDS, mostly in Africa. Plus 5 billion to
fight malaria and 4 billion to fight TB. On hand were two Ugandan AIDS
carriers to indicate their appreciation for the American government fleecing
American Taxpayers for them.

Another feature of the new law is that it removes that part of US law that
prohibited known AIDS carriers from immigrating to the US. This will add to
the cost of medical care in the US and lead to the infection of other
Americans.

I flipped channels and caught Glenn Beck interviewing Congressman Dr. Ron
Paul who was explaining how deficit spending has seriously damaged our
fragile fiat monetary system. The end result will inevitably be the
destruction of the middle class.

Harry Schneider

USA is number 1, in the most in debt country in the planet and yet we have money to give away, WTF.

IF we got money to give away I rather see it spent on veterans health benfits that paid the cost of defending this country or at least spent here on American's that it was taken from in the 1st place.

[pex]

Just out of curiosity, could we spend exactly the same amount we do on foreign aid instead by colonizing all of the nations we aid? Maybe with money going into our empire instead of out, we wouldn't have the deficit issue.

[US Militiaman]

Originally Posted by pex

Just out of curiosity, could we spend exactly the same amount we do on foreign aid instead by colonizing all of the nations we aid? Maybe with money going into our empire instead of out, we wouldn't have the deficit issue.

Even if we still have a deficit then, we at least have some assets to show for it. Its this paying and getting nothing in return that pisses me off...

[justashooter]

you don't want to colonise sub-saharan africa. the malaria there is lethal, and makes a person much more suceptible to aids and hep c.

[Dredly]

I don't know what you guys are talking about... We already HAVE colonies which we support fully... we just don't get anything back from them...

ie: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Israel, South Korea... see we have plenty of colonies.

Why do we have the highest debt? EASY!

We borrow money from country A at 3% interest, then we give it to county B for free with 0 interest and then we pay on the loan... you think all that money we are giving to Iraq and Afghanistan to rebuild came from our treasury? hell no!

AS for no return, you must be drunk! We get a massive return for our investments!

We invested heavily in Saddam... We invested heavily in the "freedom fighters" of Afghanistan, We invested heavily in Panama, we invest heavily in Eqypt...

come to think of it we get a LOT for our investments... lots of wars which allow us to invest even more in the country we invested in originally...

maybe we should stop investing?

[autotech6506]

my question is why does the US always have to be the one to step up? You don't hear about any other coutries giving away money like this.

[JP8]

Originally Posted by autotech6506

my question is why does the US always have to be the one to step up? You don't hear about any other coutries giving away money like this.

Thats a good question...some reasons I can think of:
1. It's good PR for the U.S. if there is something of interest in that land, like oil.
2. It increases our debt (which some view as a good thing).
3. It pacifies the liberal American do-gooders who want to save the world and doesn't make us look as war hungry.
4. Drug companies will profit some how, some way.

There generally seems to be some underhanded shit going on anytime we give aid to Africa. Instead of the money going directly to it's cause, it ends up making some local tribe leader rich. IIRC Obama wants to raise our taxes in part becuase he wants to send money to Africa. I've always felt if certain Americans feel so strongly about another place (Africa, Israel, etc.), they should just get the fuck up and move there.

[dc dalton]

This has been the way since WWII ... for some reason we have to be the "babysitter" and "cash cow" for the entire world ALL at the expense of the US taxpayers (aka YOU AND I) .... I was talking to an old guy the other day about this. He was saying when he first lived here 95% of the taxes we now pay did NOT exist.

If anyone else remembers there was a spoken world song 15 or so years ago by a Canadian guy about how the US is ALWAYS the first one there to prop up another country, to help out in a disaster and to fund poor nations BUT when the US needed help they all snubbed there nose at us .. the song was true back then and holds true today.

I once heard (even though I can not confirm it) that if the US stopped all foreign aid and spending for 2 years we would no longer have a national debt, we would in fact have a surplus. Just think about that for a few minutes ... all these taxes (I just posted this in this thread http://www.pafoa.org/forum/lounge-10...tml#post374080 ) did not exist 100 years ago and the vast bulk of that money being collected is being put towards uses that do next to nothing for US citizens.

But the liberal way has been to wipe the nose of the world on our dollar, YOUR hard work every day, YOUR hard efforts to survive and pay your bills are being taxed into oblivion by a government that cares more about "looking good" to the rest of the world than they do YOUR well being.

Now I used the "L" word there BUT this is not just the Democrats fault ... it is just as much the Republicans fault too. WHY? Because every stinking so-called Republican now in office (we few notable exceptions) have forgotten what the Republican party was formed on namely:

Fiscal conservatism

Smaller Government

The rights of the states and the people


Plain and simple ALL of Washington is broken and just may be broken to the point of not being able to be repaired... this is why there has to be a major push for a legitimate 3rd or 4th political party by the next election (2012) or this country (if in fact it survives that long) is doomed.

[Ten*K]

i feel I need to point out some things.

1) many free drugs (ok, some of them "experimental") are already offered to the population of the African continent. The TB drugs are the same ones we would get here. The Africans take them sometimes, and then stop, allowing diseases like TB to become drug resistant

2) many Africans still prefer "traditional" remedies such as animal blood, chanting, and raping virgins... even babies

3) even if we could treat 25% of the infected folks (i.e., they take their meds, stop fucking everything, etc), tens of millions will still be dead from those same diseases, as well as war and famine by 2020.

4) many of the African countries are controlled by exceedingly corrupt and brutal regimes who do lovely things to anyone they don't like... things that even Goering wouldn't have done: chopping up foreigners while still alive, setting whole families on fire, raping people to death.

5) the muslims moving in to the northern African areas are slaughtering the indigenous population whole sale. hundreds of Africans die by violence every single day.

that all said, we should just send cyanide, and allow the jungles and desert to reclaim what little "civilization" managed to emerge there.

you think anyone in Africa gives a shit about anyone here?

[SSGF109]

Originally Posted by WhiteFeather

Note the bend over and lube up is my comments and was NOT included in Harry Schneider’s orginal email






USA is number 1, in the most in debt country in the planet and yet we have money to give away, WTF.

IF we got money to give away I rather see it spent on veterans health benfits that paid the cost of defending this country or at least spent here on American's that it was taken from in the 1st place.

WELCOME TO AMERICA! Land of the giveaway tax dollar. The hell with other nations! GW Bush like others just don't get it! He has run this country into the ground.