Bush did 3 things right

[Pro2A]

I may not be the biggest Bush supporter in the world, but I know for a fact he did 3 things right. He isn’t so hot on illegal immigration and a few other issues. Jim Quinn said this on Friday on his talk show, so I thought I'd share it with you.

1. He cut taxes and the economy is doing well. Besides the housing market and gas prices (both of which are because of liberal policies) unemployment is at an all time low at 5%. Back when Clinton was President that was the new Golden age, now its gloom and doom.

2. We're winning in Iraq. It may have not started well, but we are winning now. Notice the deafening silence by the media. It means nothing is happening over there. It took Lincoln 3 years to find his general (to win the civil war). Bush found his.

3. Because of George Bush you still have your firearm freedoms. He appointed two constitutionally conservative Supreme Court justices (Roberts and Alito) which turned the balance of DC v. Heller. If it was not for Bush, last Thursday the Supreme Court would have ruled a collective right on gun ownership. Thanks to Bush and his appointments, we have a right to own guns.

Thank you George W. Bush

[craigc]

While I may not agree with every decison our CINC has done;you are right he's been handed a bum deal.If his fellow Republicans woulda held to their pricipals in the congress and senate they might still be in control today.Being a Vet I feel the had he had better people in place ie Rummy this war could've been further along.One thing I don't envy his his job as I've seen the toll it has taken as far as ageing them

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Pro2A

1. He cut taxes and the economy is doing well. Besides the housing market and gas prices (both of which are because of liberal policies) unemployment is at an all time low at 5%. Back when Clinton was President that was the new Golden age, now its gloom and doom.

Not sure that I agree with that one. The housing problem was really started and essentially the Oil issues, started with Alan Greenspan and his artificially low interests rates. He as even emitted that he created the housing bobble to help keep the economy running after the market crash in 2000.

[tdyoung58]

Originally Posted by Pro2A

I may not be the biggest Bush supporter in the world, but I know for a fact he did 3 things right. He isn’t so hot on illegal immigration and a few other issues. Jim Quinn said this on Friday on his talk show, so I thought I'd share it with you.

1. He cut taxes and the economy is doing well. Besides the housing market and gas prices (both of which are because of liberal policies) unemployment is at an all time low at 5%. Back when Clinton was President that was the new Golden age, now its gloom and doom.

It's just to bad the tax cuts were only temporary, as for the economy, I don't understand why we taxes domestic business and give free trade to foreign business, it's time we reversed that and taxed the foreign business and drastically lowered domestic business taxes

2. We're winning in Iraq. It may have not started well, but we are winning now. Notice the deafening silence by the media. It means nothing is happening over there. It took Lincoln 3 years to find his general (to win the civil war). Bush found his.

I don't agree we are winning, we are maintaining, because we still are making the same errors we made in SE Asia, fight for something all day and go back and hide all night

3. Because of George Bush you still have your firearm freedoms. He appointed two constitutionally conservative Supreme Court justices (Roberts and Alito) which turned the balance of DC v. Heller. If it was not for Bush, last Thursday the Supreme Court would have ruled a collective right on gun ownership. Thanks to Bush and his appointments, we have a right to own guns.

It's just to bad he didn't stand up more for the better ones that should have been appointed.

Thank you George W. Bush

well, sort of if he would repeal the 'Patriot Act'

[Carnes]

I'm not so sure about the first one, but I can possibly agree with the other two. I suspect that for all the poor decisions Bush made, the fact that we won the Heller case makes up for much of it.

The sad thing is that on a gun forum, we can barely even agree that republican Bush made 2-3 right decisions. The guy has made hundreds of decisions, and IMO has screwed the pooch on a significant number of them.

As tdyoung58 alluded to, the Patriot Act is one of the biggest sins against the US Constitution that we have ever seen.

[skyjerk]

Originally Posted by Pro2A

I may not be the biggest Bush supporter in the world, but I know for a fact he did 3 things right. He isn’t so hot on illegal immigration and a few other issues. Jim Quinn said this on Friday on his talk show, so I thought I'd share it with you.

I am NOT a liberal. 100% republican and I even voted for Bush.

The economy is going into recession. I don't know how that can be viewed as "doing well"

We arent winning in Iraq, we are doing nothing at all. Does the fact that less American are dying now
than before mean we are winning? Is that our measure of success?
My son is over there. He works a checkpoint searching cars and people
for bombs and weaponry.
Average Iraqi citizens spit at him and call him "butcher"

How are you defining "winning"?

As to his supreme court appointments, if we credit Bush for the accomplishments and decisions of people he has assigned or appointed to office,
cabinet or other government posts, then we must also credit him for their failures and bad decisions as well.

How do you think that will work out for George?

2 of his appointee's voted on our side and gave us the majority. Thats what happened. Its awesome, but lets not exaggerate that fact to imply
that George Bush single handedly saved our 2nd amendment rights.

I will not go so far as to support peoples claims that he is the worst president in history (I have heard this claim from many people), and I still believe that he was better than the alternative.

They say that a broken clock is still right 2 times a day, and this is the kind of "right" I think George W can lay claim to.
If he did 3 things right, then he is one up on a broken clock.

Do I sound disappointed in the Pres?

[The Drew]

In the end, the damage done to this nation under his watch IE the march towards authoritarian regime, and the massive expansion of entitlements (prescription drug benefit) will most likely be some of the final nails in the coffin that is the United states as we know it.

Appointing conservative judges that uphold a simple sentence in the constitution doesn't say that he did something right. It says that the justices sort of understand the meaning in the constitution...

The war went perfect in the beginning. After Saddam was captured, is when things started falling apart. And continued downhill until someone realized that if we occupy with more troops we might actually be able to settle down some of the violence... However at some point the elected Iraqi government and their troops need to stand on their own and I think it's been WAY too long...

[VMJade]

I'd respectfully submit there are a few other national security changes that were a result of Bush's policy ideas.

First, Libya no longer has nuclear weapons.
Second, North Korea is moving away from nuclear weapons.

I'd also submit that the Patriot act had to be approved by Congress before Bush
could sign it into law. That means there are 357 Representatives and 98 Senators that share the blame with Bush.

I'm not saying the guy's a saint, but I am saying that he's not alone in the loser's circle. Let's throw the blame for that one on Congress, which is where it belongs.

Yeah, things in Iraq and the Economy are bad. Yeah, they could be worse.

Blaming the president for the Economy is about as logical as blaming congress for an executive order.

No, he's not a great president. No, he hasn't really been a GOOD president. However, I refuse to fall into the trap that the liberals have set and blame it all on him, while ignoring the congressional contribution to our current sorry state.

His pet legislation was bad- the medicare bill and USAPATRIOT. I agree. No Child Left behind was a waste of time and money, and screws the US for the future. But I'm gonig to blame both the executive and legislative branches on that one.

Heller was good, in that he appointed justices that can read and comprehend the Constitution.

Iraq was bad, as we went in with sufficient force to take out Saddam's military, but grossly insufficient force to pacify. Had we gone in with the surge forces on day 1, things would be very different now. Had we followed my version of the plan of attack, Iraq would be over and the gas shortage wouldn't be a problem. Go in, Take the southern part of the country (the Oil Infrastructure) and let Saddam keep the rest until he comes to heel. Wouldn't have taken more an a year for an Iraqi to frag him, thus setting up a traditional government that we trade oil to for improvements in governance.

Now if I could only get the new president on the phone in the opening days of his term....

[JDePietro]

Pro2A I respect your position. It would have been a little better to back up your findings with any sort of link or data, however I will not grill you on that.

I don't think our economy is well at all, being employeed by an industrial complex gives me a front row seat for the end. Things are bad now but they are about to get worse.

I share a very unpopular opinion of the war and many will beat their chests and tell me I'm full of left wing bully, but I fail to see how a honest victory can be achieved in a land that we destroyed and threw into tumult. We started all of this nonsense with imperialistic goals, we established leaders and then later decided they did not really fit the bill we intended. We have been playing a cruel game of risk in the middle east since the cold war and the people there had enough.

I find it shameful that a country ravaged by hurricane with thousands dead and missing would emplore us not to help, and then outright refuse our help. The media put a nice spin on pride in regards to the leaders but you don't think they saw what has been going on in the middle east and did not want us to occupy their country in the same way? It is tragic that so many look at us as an empire.

The words of the founders strongly suggest that we should not entangle ourselves in the interests of other kings. There is no reason for us to police the globe and impose sanctions on other countries for not doing what we want.

So I will allow that Bush did right by allowing the AWB to expire. But this quagmire war has only begun to effect the economy. And I will in no way condone all that he has taken away from us by the one thing he has done right.

[JoeWilliams]

The economy WAS in great shape. It had recovered from the recession left behind by Klinton, and was performing at record levels. Then in 2006 the Democrats took control of Congress, and very shortly thereafter the economy headed for the crapper. After two years of Democratic control of the legislature, we are tilting on the brink of yet another Democratic recession.