Carrier illegally detained and falsely charged in Pittsburgh

[Vig]

Originally Posted by headcase

Un-F'ing-believable!!!! When is this nonsense going to stop????? It is my sincere hope that every cop that responded to that call loses their job, and their major personal possessions. Every single one. To all the law enforcement types on this board I ask this, why, in almost every one of these stories, is there a police officer who says he knows OC is legal, yet stands around watching a citizen's rights get abused???? Why do these officers not stand up and inform their colleagues that they are committing crimes????

It's because those LEOs are in the minority and it is simply easier to clam up and not say a thing about it, least of all correct a fellow officer in public. IMO, it all relates to the fact that LEOs rarely (if ever) rat out one of their own when something illegal or controversial occurs. The worst thing to happen to the very notion of "policing" is the adoption of the "us against them" mentality.

[Atomic Dog]

Interesting.......


Personally, I don't care about the OC I just love when the dude getting hassled knows more than the cops.



Hopefully this gets settled without my tax money.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by Joe Smith

Interesting.......


Personally, I don't care about the OC I just love when the dude getting hassled knows more than the cops.



Hopefully this gets settled without my tax money.

LOL! You should probably just send it directly to him. Get a receipt and staple it to your tax bill.....

[tes151]

Originally Posted by Joe Smith

Interesting.......


Personally, I don't care about the OC I just love when the dude getting hassled knows more than the cops.



Hopefully this gets settled without my tax money.

That would be nice. However, it seems that the only thing that gets any political hacks attention is money. If they aren't smart enough to know the laws, why would you think they would be bright enough to see the light and settle it? Just MHO.

[TonyF]

Originally Posted by headcase

Un-F'ing-believable!!!! When is this nonsense going to stop????? To all the law enforcement types on this board I ask this, why, in almost every one of these stories, is there a police officer who says he knows OC is legal, yet stands around watching a citizen's rights get abused????

I'm not LE but the thing is, cops are people too and have character flaws just like you and I and everyone else.

In some cases it has to do with ego and authority.

In some cases cops aren't "tuned in" to the consequences of violating the Constitution "in principle". We (members of gun message boards) are highly sensitive to the ramifications of chipping away at our civil rights. Occasionally, cops do push the envelope as a useful adjunct to their job.

In some cases they behave in a less than professional manner because they simply aren't the brightest crayon in the box and "strong arm tactics" are the only methodology they are adept at employing.

Why do these officers not stand up and inform their colleagues that they are committing crimes????

From what I gather, until you've actually "walked a beat" or "pushed a patrol car", you can't begin to understand what a complicated occupation LE is. An unwritten code of professional courtesy exists whereby unless a fellow officer is down right physically abusive and crosses the line, they are not going to interfere with each other in the course of a "stop". Being back up is exactly what it is ........ back up.

The way to handle this is exactly the way it is being handled.

The "detainee" handled himself very well and was not confrontational. Wheels are in motion with respect to a response via proper channels just as in the case of the Dickson City PD incident.

This is the aspect of OC that I applaud the efforts of those of you at the "tip of the OC spear".

Rome wasn't built in a day and there will probably have to be quite a few more of these types of incidents until the message resounds in LE departments statewide that OC is not prohibited and then, and only then, will examples of this type of harassment begin to subside.

[TheLAW]

Yea it's pathetic. When I went to pick up my renewal permit I OC'd into the carlisle sheriff's office/courthouse. The first thing the deputy says is "why are you carrying a gun". He told me it was against city ordnance to OC.

I showed him my Federal creds just to shut him up, I wasn't going to argue. He gets on the phone as I get into the elevator and I hear him say something to the effect of trouble is coming up.

The officer that gave me the permit told me it was against city ordnance. I asked which one. He said he did not know and that the city police dealt with that ordnance. I called the city police chief later and left a message but got no return call.

When this dept. gives out a permit it also gives a piece of paper with it basically saying with the CCW you MUST CCW and can't OC. I DID NOT RECIEVE THIS PAPER. If I had I was going to make a lot of trouble for them. They are in fact trying to make law out of thin air instead of following the law which they claim you must follow.

"The law is the law" works BOTH ways.

Remember cops are public servents and YOU ARE THE BOSS.

[jahwarrior72]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

I've contacted the OP of that incident report and encouraged him to come to PAFOA for support/help.

Additionally, it looks like Pittsburgh City Council meeting is going to have some visitors at a meeting in the not so distant future

i sense a bus trip in my future. is it legal to carry on a martz bus?

[Charlie B]

Originally Posted by headcase

Un-F'ing-believable!!!! When is this nonsense going to stop????? It is my sincere hope that every cop that responded to that call loses their job, and their major personal possessions. Every single one. To all the law enforcement types on this board I ask this, why, in almost every one of these stories, is there a police officer who says he knows OC is legal, yet stands around watching a citizen's rights get abused???? Why do these officers not stand up and inform their colleagues that they are committing crimes????

Because, if they ever need backup from those they work with, it’s easier to go along with them than to go against them.

Didn’t you ever watch Serpico? All Police Departments suffer from a certain degree of corruption. Some larger departments are so plagued with it that it is second nature and will never fade away.

There are many good Police Officers, but sadly, they are too few.

[Pa. Patriot]

Gnbrotz and I spoke with the victim tonight.
The wheels are in motion.

I want to point out that this is NOT the first time he has been hassled by the Pittsburg PD for OC... It is the THIRD time.

He has formally complained prior and the PD seems to think that despite being made aware of their errors in those prior incidents that they can continue to illegally harass law abiding citizens.

I think this "us vs them" attitude displayed by this PD is disgusting and and need of some rehabilitation. We will update as info becomes available, right now the victim is researching some options and we'll post here as things develop or we need help or support (city hall trip anyone?)

[headcase]

Maybe I'm just an out of touch asshole, but I believe that if you take an oath, you should be bound by that oath, personally and legally.