How far can you be pushed?

[Farbmeister]

WIth the guy in CT or VT holding up about the taxes its gotten a lot of posts on other boards I visit... and leads me to this question:

Would you EVER take up arms against the State or the Federal Goverment?

The reason does not matter... just say that it your turn in the crosshairs of some goverment official (ie the Duke Lacross Players).. or some cause in another state comes to blows (ie Texas and New Mexico starts a fight with LEO/INS/Mexican soldiers).

Would you go?

Just wondering if anyone gets as fed up as I do... and would they pack thier bags, guns, and ammo for 'a cause'?

[Holleta]

Ummm.......no. It would be a pointless one sided battle that would only end in the challengers demise and/or all other kinds of assorted bad ju-ju. Plus, when all is said and done what guns you have will be removed from you and you will never be able to own guns again. Not exactly my idea of a good time.

[Calvin]

considering that anything you post " may be used against you in a court of law" what kind of answer would most people make.

just a thought when I read this post.

[billy870m9]

+1 exactly what i was thinking too calvin

[Farbmeister]

ALthough it is illegal to advocate the overthrow of the gubment (isn't that convienant) thats not what I am asking.. at least I hope it isn't.

LIke the guy fighting the tax thing. The Federal gubment wants to take his property and his freedom under a law that does not exist. Cases have been won becuase the defense demanded the Goverment to produce the law that says that taxes MUST be paid. They did not. And that leads me to this question. I have the answer to the tax thing.. its pretty simple, and easy to explain.

If they 'want me' I doubt that they would even go to the trouble to dig up any posts I make. Just simply DEFENDING yourself from the gubment will ruine you. Unless you are a lucky minority that gets thier defense paid for by leberals... being a white guy my chances of that are NIL.

Plus the expression of ideas in an open forum is the FIRST thing the gument was prevented from restricting by the Bill of Rights (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech).

There are LEGAL reason why you can and should fight, with arms, against the State or the Federal gubment.

If the mods want me to stop this post then I will.. I don't want them to get into trouble.

[Farbmeister]

Originally Posted by Holleta

Ummm.......no. It would be a pointless one sided battle that would only end in the challengers demise and/or all other kinds of assorted bad ju-ju. Plus, when all is said and done what guns you have will be removed from you and you will never be able to own guns again. Not exactly my idea of a good time.

What if they were coming for your guns? Aka New Orleans?

No where in the constitution does it say that I LOSE my rights.

One of the things that I question people who make statments is that even when the Gubment HAS infringed on the 2A, and has taken lawfully owned firearms.. they did give them up. Save that old lady that got a beat down on tape for keeping her gun in NO.

[KeithPA]

Originally Posted by Calvin

considering that anything you post " may be used against you in a court of law" what kind of answer would most people make.

just a thought when I read this post.

If your concerned with what you say here, concerned about being charged with violating some obscure law or the Patriot Act, then that is the whole purpose of Farbmeisters post. If you get charged, be assured your card was called, you are already guilty.

I am am more than happy to lend a hand to any of those in need. But am by no means capable of taking a stand yet.

Notice the Ed Brown story. Look at his house. Look at the supplies you see there, power systems, water system. He has been preparing for this. He knew this would happen and has taken every step to prepare for it. 10 years ago when he stopped paying taxes, he knew there would be a fight. He prepared well and I hope everyone that can, will support him.

[Calvin]

Originally Posted by Farbmeister

ALthough it is illegal to advocate the overthrow of the gubment (isn't that convienant) thats not what I am asking.. at least I hope it isn't.

LIke the guy fighting the tax thing. The Federal gubment wants to take his property and his freedom under a law that does not exist. Cases have been won becuase the defense demanded the Goverment to produce the law that says that taxes MUST be paid. They did not. And that leads me to this question. I have the answer to the tax thing.. its pretty simple, and easy to explain.

If they 'want me' I doubt that they would even go to the trouble to dig up any posts I make. Just simply DEFENDING yourself from the gubment will ruine you. Unless you are a lucky minority that gets thier defense paid for by leberals... being a white guy my chances of that are NIL.

Plus the expression of ideas in an open forum is the FIRST thing the gument was prevented from restricting by the Bill of Rights (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech).

There are LEGAL reason why you can and should fight, with arms, against the State or the Federal gubment.

If the mods want me to stop this post then I will.. I don't want them to get into trouble.

If they wanted you any statement that you make( if it be on the computer or verbal ) will add to the court case. And they will make you out to be radical antigovt person.

The Bill Of Rights (of which I strongly believe in) does not protect you from the govt charging you with other crimes and they may be trumped up.

The idea of this type of thread is fine just the way of making a statement should be thought through. Remember you never know who is watching. I have always watched what I wrote or said ( I dont think I should have to but in todays world freedom of speech is not always free)

just my thoughts

[phillyd2]

Originally Posted by Farbmeister

ALthough it is illegal to advocate the overthrow of the gubment.......

Maybe not so convenient.....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

[LorDiego01]

I will share with you a quote that I find hits the spot. I wish I could remember the author. Basically, it goes..


"Its too late to fix the system, but its too early to shoot the bastards."