Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association

Go Back   Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association Discussion Forum > Discussion > General

General General firearm-related talk that does not fit into any of the other forums.

PAFOA Shopping Partners A percentage of all sales made through these partner links goes to PAFOA. PAFOA Elsewhere Connect with PAFOA around the web.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2008
WhiteFeather's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location:
Pennsylvania
(Allegheny County)
Posts: 1,935
Rep Power: 414
WhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond reputeWhiteFeather has a reputation beyond repute
Default Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

FYI: For everyone that thinks that you can not make a differance.

Gun Owners working with legislators and elected officials are forcing this, enforcement of existing laws over enacting of new firearms laws as a solution.



http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/19757289.html

Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

Pennsylvania and local law enforcement officials yesterday launched a campaign aimed at making potential straw purchasers think twice before buying a gun for a felon.

The campaign - "Think Again: Gun Violence and Straw Purchasing" - is encapsulated in a 13-minute video produced by state Attorney General Tom Corbett, complete with mournful music, graphic images, and emotional testimony about suffering caused by gun violence.

For those unmoved by the video, Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne M. Abraham delivered a more blunt message yesterday by announcing the arrests of 13 people charged with illegal firearms transfers, including five alleged straw buyers. She said two allegedly had bought dozens of guns and peddled them on the street.

State law prohibits convicted felons from buying firearms and requires gun dealers to perform a record check before making a sale. Felons sometimes use "straws" - people with no criminal record - to buy guns for them.

Branding anybody who acts as a straw buyer "a fool, a liar, and a bad person," Abraham said the blood of gun-violence victims was on the hands of straw purchasers. "It's all on you," she said.

The campaign also has an additional intended audience: the state legislature.

Corbett said the $5 million in annual funding for the Philadelphia Gun Violence Task Force, which pays the salaries of prosecutors, investigators and forensic technicians, was up for renewal. Abraham said the task force had opened 621 investigations, arrested 179 people, and seized 265 firearms since it began in December 2006.

Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Jose M. Melendez, who also attended the news conference, said straw buyers were "just as guilty as the person who pulled the trigger."

Abraham acknowledged, however, that straw purchasers were rarely prosecuted for crimes others committed with the guns. To prosecute such a case, she said, prosecutors need to establish that a straw buyer knew of the intended crime before the gun was transferred.

The straw purchasers whose arrests were announced yesterday were charged with gun violations and conspiracy, which is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

Those whose arrests were announced yesterday are:

Jonathan Lopez, 25, of the 6700 block of Akron Street, Philadelphia, a convicted drug dealer charged with obtaining a handgun through a straw buyer.

Derrick Harrison, 36, of the 6000 block of North 21st Street, Philadelphia, who has a criminal record and was charged with trying to buy a .40-caliber handgun at a gun show.

John Venturino, 41, of Olive Avenue, Horsham, a convicted felon charged with using a straw purchase to buy two handguns that he then sold. One was recovered at a shooting.

Duewa Freeman, 26, of the 1600 block of North 33d Street, Philadelphia, who allegedly threatened a repo man with an unlicensed .32-caliber handgun.

Michael Downing, 27, of the 1900 block of North 10th Street, Philadelphia, accused of buying a .380-caliber handgun and giving it to a convicted drug dealer. Police recovered the firearm from a third man, who used it to make a threat.

Woodie Marcus, 42, of the 4900 block of Roosevelt Boulevard, Philadelphia, who allegedly purchased 23 handguns over eight years and traded them for money or drugs. Police have recovered 14 of the guns, including one used in a killing.

Francis Cella, 27, of the 2300 block of Susquehanna Avenue, Philadelphia, charged with illegally purchasing a shotgun and two handguns, one of them used in a drive-by shooting.

Macangelo Tillman, 35, of the 7500 block of Brockton Road, Philadelphia, who allegedly purchased 32 handguns, only seven of which have been recovered.

Andre Christy, 28, of the 1200 block of South 51st Street, Philadelphia, allegedly a straw purchaser of three handguns, including one that police recovered after a shooting.

Bobby McGill, 24, of the 1200 block of South 49th Street, Philadelphia, who allegedly sold a .40-caliber handgun and falsely reported it stolen.

R.M., a 14-year-old from Northeast Philadelphia, who allegedly stole a .40-caliber handgun from a neighbor and sold it on the street. The gun was recovered in connection with a home robbery.

Jamie Bennett, 22, of the 7900 block of Ditman Street, Philadelphia, who alleged stole three handguns from a relative and sold them on the street.

Latrice Hutt, 25, of the 1400 block of Pacific Street, Philadelphia, who allegedly purchased two handguns for her children's father, a man arrested more than 20 times.
Reply With Quote

Thanks for visiting our forum! If you ever plan to return you should consider quickly registering for a forum account, especially if you're in Pennsylvania. It's simple to do and best of all free. Once registered you'll be able to participate in our discussions and keep up to date on issues important to Pennsylvania firearm owners!

  #2 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2008
Brick's Avatar
Grand Member
PAFOA Gold Supporter
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location:
Apolacon Township, Pennsylvania
(Susquehanna County)
Age: 63
Posts: 1,618
Rep Power: 167
Brick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond reputeBrick has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

And the next steps are to track these and see if they are charged and arraigned and if they go to trial and if they are convicted and if they serve prison time.

Should be interesting and instructive at least!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2008
CoyoteJack's Avatar
Super Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location:
Erie, Pennsylvania
(Erie County)
Posts: 771
Rep Power: 14
CoyoteJack has much to be proud ofCoyoteJack has much to be proud ofCoyoteJack has much to be proud ofCoyoteJack has much to be proud ofCoyoteJack has much to be proud ofCoyoteJack has much to be proud ofCoyoteJack has much to be proud ofCoyoteJack has much to be proud ofCoyoteJack has much to be proud of
Default Re: Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

Hmm, all in Philly and one suburb of Philly. Well maybe it was just a good place to start. Who wants to bet these guns were actually traded for drugs?
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2008
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location:
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
(Allegheny County)
Age: 39
Posts: 6,311
Rep Power: 1590
LittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond reputeLittleRedToyota has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

holy crap...they're actually going after criminals instead of us??!!!

what happened? was someone sitting under a tree and got hit in the head by a falling apple?

Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2008
Pa. Patriot's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location:
Mountain Top, Pennsylvania
(Luzerne County)
Age: 39
Posts: 10,595
Rep Power: 1692
Pa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Pa. Patriot
Default Re: Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

Quote:
Duewa Freeman, 26, of the 1600 block of North 33d Street, Philadelphia, who allegedly threatened a repo man with an unlicensed .32-caliber handgun.
???

Handguns are not "licensed" in PA.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2008
fingers80002's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location:
Hanover, Pennsylvania
(York County)
Posts: 7,601
Rep Power: 1532
fingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond reputefingers80002 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot View Post
???

Handguns are not "licensed" in PA.
I "believe" they were refering to the defendant, not the "gun".......
Knowing Philly, I could be wrong................
Hard to tell with the media spin...............
__________________

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" Benjamin Franklin
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2008
Pa. Patriot's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location:
Mountain Top, Pennsylvania
(Luzerne County)
Age: 39
Posts: 10,595
Rep Power: 1692
Pa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Pa. Patriot
Default Re: Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

Quote:
Originally Posted by fingers80002 View Post
I "believe" they were refering to the defendant, not the "gun".......
Knowing Philly, I could be wrong................
Hard to tell with the media spin...............
I believe they meant exactly what the said, and said exactly what they meant.

"...with an unlicensed .32-caliber handgun"

Proving police incompetence at best, intentional implication that guns are "contraband" at worst.

__________________
_________________________________________

Quote:
danbus wrote: ...Like I said before, I open carry because you don't, I fight for all my rights because
you won't, I will not sit with my thumb up my bum and complain, because you will.
Remember Meleanie
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2008
str8shooter's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location:
Chester Springs, Pennsylvania
(Chester County)
Age: 49
Posts: 1,381
Rep Power: 237
str8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond reputestr8shooter has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to str8shooter
Default Re: Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

This crackdown might explain a situation that happened to me two days ago. I was in a gun shop outside of Philly I check in to from time to time to see what's in the used display. Although I know the owner and thought I knew all the employees, there was a customer filling in the paper work for a purchase and I didn't recognize the salesman. I quietly looked through the used guns, and as I was looking around, the salesman asked the buyer a few questions which led me to believe the ID he was using didn't look like him. The salesman questioned his hair length, a scar, and his age, but the customer just joked a bit and gave reasonable answers. Then the salesman said the PICS system was down and that he'd need a few minutes to try again.

At that point I decided I didn't see anything that interested me and went to leave, but the salesman asked if I needed any help. I told him no, I just like to check the used stuff so I'll be back in a week or two to see if anything new comes in. I left the store, got in my car and in the time it took me to put the keys in the ignition and put on my seatbelt, two police cruisers had me blocked in.

When an officer approached me, we both recognized each other immediately because he usually works nights when I run ambulance duty, so I opened my window and asked what was going on. He told me that the salesman was an undercover cop, and that the ID the customer tried to use had been used in several purchases in the last week. Since I just wandered around the store quietly and never talked to the salesman, he assumed we were a team making a straw purchase and called it in when pretending to run the PICS check.

As the officer and I chatted a few minutes, I saw the customer getting escorted out of the store in cuffs by a couple other cops who entered the store through the back while the two cruisers pinned me in. The cop I was talking to told me that when the customer was asked for ID, he pulled out a NJ drivers license, completely forgetting the undercover salesman still had the PA license he tried to use to buy the gun.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2008
Statkowski's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location:
Cherry Tree, Pennsylvania
(Indiana County)
Age: 62
Posts: 1,995
Rep Power: 275
Statkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

Quote:
The cop I was talking to told me that when the customer was asked for ID, he pulled out a NJ drivers license, completely forgetting the undercover salesman still had the PA license he tried to use to buy the gun.
Some criminals aren't the brightest lightbulbs on the marquee.

Good to see they're going after the criminals.
__________________
The twenty-first century is when everything changes. And you gotta be ready.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old June 14th, 2008
skyjerk's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location:
Coatesville, Pennsylvania
(Chester County)
Age: 45
Posts: 432
Rep Power: 27
skyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond reputeskyjerk has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Gun arrests, Pa. video go after straw buyers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot View Post
I believe they meant exactly what the said, and said exactly what they meant.

"...with an unlicensed .32-caliber handgun"

Proving police incompetence at best, intentional implication that guns are "contraband" at worst.

Most people, reporters included, are still woefully uneducated on handgun laws.

I took my bother to the range the other day with me, and he was talking about buying a pistol for himself. He believed there was still a 3 day waiting period.

I think most civilians in PA that dont own guns believe that they are/need to be licensed.
__________________
My Sig is my sig! --- Sig Sauer P220 Match
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Task force arrests 13 in gun crackdown in Philadelphia WhiteFeather General 0 June 13th, 2008 03:57 PM
WTF?? FBI sting arrests you for simply clicking a link that the FBI posts fultonCoShooter General 48 March 27th, 2008 02:14 AM
Philadelphia Crime Plan - Arrests without Convictions? LakeCity General 3 February 14th, 2008 09:51 AM
Last chance AR15 buyers luckyned7 General 13 March 21st, 2007 11:05 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.
Marketing Services provided by MergeMedia.