I have now officially been harassed by the PSP

[rich]

Do you think paying some greasemonkey $85/hour to repair your automobile isn't outrageous?
I worked for a dealership as a technician and was taking tests every week and going to school at least twice a month. I had at least 90k in tools and believe me I or any other of the tecs there were not making anywhere near $85/hour

[BlownNitroPontiac]

Originally Posted by rich

Do you think paying some greasemonkey $85/hour to repair your automobile isn't outrageous?
I worked for a dealership as a technician and was taking tests every week and going to school at least twice a month. I had at least 90k in tools and believe me I or any other of the tecs there were not making anywhere near $85/hour

Different part of the state way up there in Hooterville. Lower cost of living.

[Tootie]

There's something I found out the other day.

I had a nice chat with my local Chief of Police about the technicalities of Open Carry. We went over the statutes looking for anything that stated you could not carry in that manner and found nothing. I showed him my LTCF (which he had already seen) and showed him that it does not state concealed weapons permit, which he found interesting. He talked to someone at the DA's office and they in no uncertain terms believe that Monroe Country issues a CCW. That is the problem with most of the police out there. They do not know that PA issues a license to carry and not a concealed permit. As long as the DA's offices in this state believe that we are issued a CCW we are going to have problems like this.

Oh he also told me he doesn't have a problem with people who Open Carry, he said the only thing that he would prefer to do when someone (LEO) got a call about someone (person with a gun) is to check and make sure the license is valid and then they would let that person be on their way. I see no problem with that. He was confused on why the other situations (mentioned here) had their guns taken from them, he said if they are valid license holders there is no reason to confiscate the weapons. I like this town more and more every day.

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by Tootie

Oh he also told me he doesn't have a problem with people who Open Carry, he said the only thing that he would prefer to do when someone (LEO) got a call about someone (person with a gun) is to check and make sure the license is valid and then they would let that person be on their way.

Problem: No license is even necessary to OC on foot. Even if one is in your possession, there is absolutely NO legal requirement to show it when OC. When I OC, I don't even carry my LTCF.

Originally Posted by Tootie

I see no problem with that.

You can absolutely show your LTCF if you wish. Just be clear that they have no legal grounds to demand it, and you no have no legal obligation to show it.

Originally Posted by Tootie

He was confused on why the other situations (mentioned here) had their guns taken from them, he said if they are valid license holders there is no reason to confiscate the weapons. I like this town more and more every day.

Refer to comments above. Also there is no basis for a demand to "prove ownership" to possess a firearm, or to have it be "registered" to the person who is carrying it.

[Tootie]

gnbrotz, I really should give him one of those fliers about OC, he truly seems open minded about the whole thing. He did tell me that the statutes are written in such a manner that you have to be a lawyer to figure most of them out because they contradict themselves several times just in the definition of terms. But like I said he's open to it which is much better then most of the LEO's that we are hearing about on this forum and he's the chief so his officers should be the same.

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by rich

Do you think paying some greasemonkey $85/hour to repair your automobile isn't outrageous?
I worked for a dealership as a technician and was taking tests every week and going to school at least twice a month. I had at least 90k in tools and believe me I or any other of the tecs there were not making anywhere near $85/hour

Included in that price/per hour is overhead, insurance, etc. I guarantee at least half of that price/per hour goes to rent.

[LordJim]

Originally Posted by Tootie

We went over the statutes looking for anything that stated you could not carry in that manner and found nothing.

Which makes it perfectly legal. Remember, the law tells us what we can't do, not what we can. If it isn't mentioned, then it's legal.

I showed him my LTCF (which he had already seen) and showed him that it does not state concealed weapons permit, which he found interesting.

Regardless, it's simply a permit to carry the weapon in a concealed fashion. You don't need even that to carry openly. Possessing the LCTF, doesn't require you to conceal it.

He talked to someone at the DA's office and they in no uncertain terms believe that Monroe Country issues a CCW. That is the problem with most of the police out there. They do not know that PA issues a license to carry and not a concealed permit. As long as the DA's offices in this state believe that we are issued a CCW we are going to have problems like this.

See above.

Oh he also told me he doesn't have a problem with people who Open Carry, he said the only thing that he would prefer to do when someone (LEO) got a call about someone (person with a gun) is to check and make sure the license is valid and then they would let that person be on their way.

But you don't need a license. So there's no reason to check whether or not its valid.

I see no problem with that. He was confused on why the other situations (mentioned here) had their guns taken from them, he said if they are valid license holders there is no reason to confiscate the weapons. I like this town more and more every day.

Keep liking it, but spend some more time talking to the police and get them up to speed on what the law really says, and I suppose of equal importance, what the law doesn't say.

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Jim

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by Tootie

gnbrotz, I really should give him one of those fliers about OC, he truly seems open minded about the whole thing..

Also give him one of these:
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...nal-draft.html

Or forward me the dept. name and I'll send a nice letter introducing myself and include the memo/flyer.

[ALS]

One day a police officer is going to cross the line and his departments insurance company is going to be seeing a large legal bill.
First of all it is going to cost any departments insurance company a minimum of $7,500 just to walk into a court room.
Most will not want to see a court room where a law abiding citizen was injured over a frivolous complaint.
The first time a 100K-$250K or judgment is handed down there will be a major retraining program for all officers in the commonwealth.
Because once that hits the major media outlets the average police officer will feel like a manager at a Denny's and the whole patrol zone is made up of African Americans.
Remember it was one or two actual discrimination incidents and people came out of the woodwork looking for a pay off saying they were discriminated also.
It wasn't until Denny's put up video cameras and prosecuted these people for attempted insurance fraud did these scum crawl back under a rock.
Take a good look at what has become of the LAPD because of a few bad apples. The dept has been basically neutered.