OMG - Ron Paul for President!

phillyd2 · #**1001** (**permalink**) January 21st, 2008

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Originally Posted by Longshot

I am really not sure he is anti-war as he is so depicted. Its just that this war completely goes against our constitution, I think he is misrepresented on that quite often. Before we went into Iraq, he wanted congress to declare war, and from what I understand they ignored it. He voted to use military force to go after bin laden, so to say he is completely anti-war is not completely correct. And what he has been fighting against lately, is our preemptive war policy, which from what I understand says that if we think your country looks at us wrong and we say that you are terrorists, than we are going to attack you. (simply put) I just don't think we as America should be spread as thin as we are and trying to pick a fight.

He would absolutely go to war if it is in defense of our country, but congress would have to declare war for us to invade another country as we have done in Iraq.

This is just how I have understood his position, so take it for what it is.

Here is where he loses me. Bush had exactly the very same authority from Congress for both Iraq and Afghanistan. Hell, if Congress wanted the war ended today they could pass a vote saying that no more money be spent on it. Or, as of such and such date no more funds can be used. Power of the purse people. They did that with Reagan and the contras with the various Boland amendments. And this time I don't think the Saudis will pick up the tab

So, call it what you want - Congress declared war by approving the funds to fight the war.

awkx · #**1002** (**permalink**) January 21st, 2008

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Originally Posted by phillyd2

So, call it what you want - Congress declared war by approving the funds to fight the war.

I think Paul's point is that the Democrats might not have voted for a bill that specifically declared war. In that case, Hillary wouldn't have been able to pretend that she wasn't voting for the war when she voted for conditional use of force.

Another thing Paul has against the 'war' (it's really more of a peace-keeping operation now than a real war) is that we've spent nearly half a trillion dollars (yes, trillion with a "T") in Iraq, when our own infrastructure needs repair and our economy threatens to be going down the sh!tter.

lexington86 · #**1003** (**permalink**) January 21st, 2008

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Originally Posted by phillyd2

So, call it what you want - Congress declared war by approving the funds to fight the war.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Saying, "Okay, we'll give you money for operations in Afghanistan/Iraq" is quite different than saying "We, the Government of the United States of America hereby declare war on the Al Qaeda and the Government of Iraq".

The perfect example of this difference is the very clear declaration of war against the Axis nations after the attacks on Pearl Harbor.

Just my opinion; yours is just as valid.

awkx · #**1004** (**permalink**) January 21st, 2008

OMG, It's Snowing In Hell!

The New York Times bumped Rudy off their Election Guide and replaced him with Ron Paul!

politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/index.html

Of course, this may very well well have been an accident. Anyhow, here's an image:

phillyd2 · #**1005** (**permalink**) January 21st, 2008

Maybe Congress can not read. That must be it

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0021002-2.html

In any event, how can Paul be for Afganistan and not Iraq since both were approved the same way?

Longshot · #**1006** (**permalink**) January 21st, 2008

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Originally Posted by phillyd2

Maybe Congress can not read. That must be it

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0021002-2.html

In any event, how can Paul be for Afganistan and not Iraq since both were approved the same way?

He was for going for the people responsible for 9/11, The president has the right to use military force if we are attacked with out declaring war, towards the people responsible for the attack. Iraq was not responsible for 9/11. Bin ladin was, who was in Afghanistan so they believed at the time. This again is to my understanding.

NineseveN · #**1007** (**permalink**) January 29th, 2008

Received via e-mail.

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Ron Paul Endorsed by the Alabama Republican Assembly

Ron Paul Endorsed by the Alabama Republican Assembly

Posted: 27 Jan 2008 12:19 PM CST

Paul was the overwhelming favorite of the group Ronald Reagan referred to as
"the conscience of the Republican Party."

RON PAUL ENDORSED BY THE ALABAMA REPUBLICAN ASSEMBLY

Texas Congressman also wins organization's public straw poll

BIRMINGHAM, January 26 -- The Alabama Republican Assembly today announced the
winner of its Presidential Endorsing Convention held on January 26, 2008 at
the Birmingham Marriott.

Delegates from ALRA clubs around the state attended the endorsing convention
to select their choice for the Republican nomination. The ALRA requires a
2/3rds majority to endorse a candidate, otherwise no endorsement is made.

Republican Ron Paul succeeded in winning the ALRA endorsement on the 1st
round of voting. Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee came in second.

"We congratulate Ron Paul on winning the ALRA endorsement," said Elaine
Little, Chairman of the Endorsing Convention. "It's evident that the
overwhelming majority of delegates determined that Congressman Paul best
represents the Republican platform and the conservative values of limited
government and personal freedom."

Little went on to explain that in a crowded field of several candidates,
it's unusual that an endorsement would be won on the first ballot.

The ALRA hosted a corresponding straw poll that was open to the public while
the endorsing convention was taking place. The winner of the straw poll,
with 81% of total votes cast was Ron Paul, with Mike Huckabee coming in
second with 13% and Mitt Romney in third with 6%.

"Ron Paul's grassroots support is second to none among all other republican
campaigns this cycle," stated attorney Tom Davis, Vice President of the ALRA
and delegate to the endorsing convention. "The results of our straw poll
parallel the results in most straw polls throughout the country. Ron Paul
has clearly excited many new people and energized them to get involved in
the political process. The Republican Party should be grateful for all the
'new blood' coming in as a result of Congressman Paul's message of freedom
and returning to the Constitution."

The Alabama Republican Assembly is a grass-roots volunteer organization
chartered by the National Federation of Republican Assemblies. The NFRA was
founded in 1997 to promote conservative values and principles in the
Republican Party.

Ronald Reagan referred to the NFRA as "the conscience of the Republican
Party."