My visit to the home of the National Tactical Invatational

[BullfrogKen]

Red guns and rubber knives.

[4XLT]

ah, of course. thank you sir.

[BullfrogKen]

Originally Posted by netw0rkpenguin

I'll be there tomorrow err today. Darthzeth is camped out down stairs and at 6am we're rolling out. Can't wait!!!

So, what did you guys think?

[netw0rkpenguin]

The visit was definitely worth the drive. I'll let Rob post his own thoughts.

We were discussing the force on force scenario for probably about a week after it happened and it definitely gave me a lot to think about. I liked the discussion that happened afterwards. It was interesting to hear what happened from multiple perspectives. It would be good if our own personal training knives were allowed once they were checked. I bothered to get a trainer for the 2 knives I commonly carry specifically for classes and practicing with friends, so leaving that behind for a foam generic 'knife' made it less useful, same for holster I actually use as opposed to shoving a pistol in my pocket. Cellphone.... yeah... I would also recommend prop OC. I'm sure many of us carry it and I'm not hessitant to use it even in NYC and peoples republic of nj.
The scenario itself was very believable and I think it went a long way to show that scenarios escalate faster then expected and that you can't necessarily be sure who is or isn't involved until it's too late. The character actors did a very good job.

One thing that we noticed is the guy that asked for $ could not have signaled to the others because he was behind 2 walls which means that they were probably going to ambush the next person that went in/anyone and thus either would have been arrested or shot rather quickly. I guess it would be the hypothetical wrong place, wrong time situation.

I was very impressed with the shoot house. The scenario involved armed intruders and a wife being trapped in the house yelling for help. I thought it was a much more realistic scenario then the one mercop described when he was there (realistic as in I would care enough to help as opposed to not care, not as in it can't happen). I was one of I think you said it was 4 people that shot their wife? Maybe it's possible to mark the target more clearly because I would hope that I would be able to identify my wife more readilly then an IDPA don't shoot target. When I moved through the house I observed what I thought was someone with heir hands up and a weapon, and promptly shot the target. During the walkthrough with the range masters afterwards I realized it was actually a hostage taker and a hostage setup.

We will definately be coming out to more events in the coming months. I recommend that everyone that can make it, come out. You are getting a days worth of good training for the price of a lunch in the city.

[BullfrogKen]

I'll let Rob talk, then I'll post my thoughts to your questions and observations.

[KMcL]

Bumping this back up. I recently joined the club and want to keep this discussion going.

Hopefully I can make it to one of these soon.

[BullfrogKen]

I was one of those role players last month.

netw0rkpenguin said: It would be good if our own personal training knives were allowed once they were checked. I bothered to get a trainer for the 2 knives I commonly carry specifically for classes and practicing with friends, so leaving that behind for a foam generic 'knife' made it less useful

I have drone knives, too. We use soft knives because hard knife replicas still get us hurt. The goal isn't to give the Practitioner an opportunity for a sparring event. It's to present him with a thinking problem; present him with the opportunity to see the problem as it evolves; and allow him to evaluate for himself if his training regimen has given him the skills to deal with those problems.

It's not about winning. And none of that requires exact replicas of our carry gear.


KMcL,

We'll be there Saturday. Looking forward to meeting you. If I see an e-mail from Skip between now and then with the lecture topic and any required special gear, I'll share it here.


Edit - we don't use prop OC. We've found it etches and scars the plastic on the safety shields, and still causes reactions to occur in some folk's eyes.

[KMcL]

Ken,

Unfortunately I won't be able to make it this Sat. I'll be in State College at the game getting soaked. I'll be at one soon though and most likely a Thurs night in the near future as well. Looking forward to meeting you and some other guys at the range. I have a few questions for ya that I'll get in an email to you in the near future as well.

Kevin

[netw0rkpenguin]

I can't get Rob to post because he's too lazy but he said he mor eor less agreed with what I posted.

We are coming down again for this Saturday. Looking forward to another great class.

BTW some training sprays are just water. I can grab it and show you.

[NewWorldSamurai]

Originally Posted by netw0rkpenguin

I can't get Rob to post because he's too lazy but he said he mor eor less agreed with what I posted.

We are coming down again for this Saturday. Looking forward to another great class.

BTW some training sprays are just water. I can grab it and show you.

I'm just forgetful, and I don't generally hang out on PAFOA.

But yeah, the only thing that left me scratching my head was the communications between the assailants. If the guy at the entrance, and the guy walking down the hall were scoping out potential victims, then the guy who initiates the confrontation never got the word (sorry, I forget the names. I think Ken was the guy who demands the money?) Ken just confronts you as soon as you round the corner.

But if anything, the role players were probably more aggressive, fearless, and coordinated than what I image real attackers would be. And if you trainer harder than real life, the better equipped you'll be, so I can't complain.