Potential scenario the other night

[Gary in Pennsylvania]

Originally Posted by svs

The kid at Kutztown university who was beaten to death by three drunks last fall learned the hard way that these goons WILL KILL YOU. And he had a black belt from what I read in the paper.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...th&sa=N&tab=nw

[Dredly]

Hey guys, just some questions...

1. Is threatening someone with a Taser going to get you in less trouble then brandishing a firearm as a deterrent?

2. Can you tell someone that you are armed to intimidate them and keep them away from you? Isn't that the same as showing a gun (ie: Assualt) ?

If this guy had Mace or a taser or a baton, would he get in less trouble for pulling one of those out as opposed to pulling out a gun? Its assault regardless isn't it? I would assume the exact same as can be said for a knife would apply to a taser or a baton

As for whoever said take the beating... you gotta be nuts. The number of homicides that occur due to fights and the serious bodily injure can be extreme, especially if this guy really was a cage fighter (ie: trained fighter)

[Philadelphia]

Originally Posted by svs

First post. Interesting site.
I do disagree with the idea that you cannot meet physical threats with deadly force.
Especially in a situation where you are protecting your wife, GF or children. Its easy to retreat if you are alone, having to place yourself between a threat and others completly changes things.
The kid at Kutztown university who was beaten to death by three drunks last fall learned the hard way that these goons WILL KILL YOU. And he had a black belt from what I read in the paper.

One of the attackers wielded a deadly weapon -- a chair leg (which was used to murder the victim according to the autopsy description). That will get most people justifiably shot.

[svs]

Chair leg, steel toed boot. No difference to my skull. I do see that it would make a difference to a jury. But I would still be dead.

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by svs

Chair leg, steel toed boot. No difference to my skull. I do see that it would make a difference to a jury. But I would still be dead.

svs...i understand where you are coming from. and, frankly, i wouldn't lose a whole lot of sleep over some thug getting shot by someone he only intended to "beat up" and did not really pose a deadly threat to.

however, in the legal system, i think you need to be *reasonable* fear for your life...not just "there is a remote chance that i am going to be killed because someone somewhere once beat somebody to death with their bare hands". though, exactly what is reasonable is a good question.

again, i don't really disagree with your take on it at all, but i think the legal system might.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by svs

First post. Interesting site.
I do disagree with the idea that you cannot meet physical threats with deadly force.

I did not see anyone imply that. However, the "physical threat" must meet a certain level of severity and certainty.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by svs

First post. Interesting site.
I do disagree with the idea that you cannot meet physical threats with deadly force.
Especially in a situation where you are protecting your wife, GF or children. Its easy to retreat if you are alone, having to place yourself between a threat and others completly changes things.
The kid at Kutztown university who was beaten to death by three drunks last fall learned the hard way that these goons WILL KILL YOU. And he had a black belt from what I read in the paper.

*Bold is mine

First, Welcome! Second, no one said you can not meet physical treats with deadly force. You need to meet force in kind, unless you feel your life is threatened. The example you give had a student beat to death with a piece of wood IIRC, deadly force would have been justified IMO.

Originally Posted by Gary in Pennsylvania

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...th&sa=N&tab=nw

Gary's link-fu is strong,

[quote=Dredly;277609]Hey guys, just some questions...

1. Is threatening someone with a Taser going to get you in less trouble then brandishing a firearm as a deterrent? I don't know for sure, but I do know you would be a damn site less likely to face murder charges.

2. Can you tell someone that you are armed to intimidate them and keep them away from you? Isn't that the same as showing a gun (ie: Assualt) ?
Not if they instigate an assault on you first, TTBOMK.

If this guy had Mace or a taser or a baton, would he get in less trouble for pulling one of those out as opposed to pulling out a gun? Its assault regardless isn't it? I would assume the exact same as can be said for a knife would apply to a taser or a baton Again, IANAL, but to me, those things are equalizers, except the knife.
As for whoever said take the beating... you gotta be nuts. The number of homicides that occur due to fights and the serious bodily injure can be extreme, especially if this guy really was a cage fighter (ie: trained fighter) Again, no one said for him to take the beating. There should be many things you have done before pulling the trigger on an unarmed assailant is considered justified.[quote]
*Blue is mine

[Dredly]

So he can disclose that he is armed and order someone not to come near him due to what he perceives as a threat and that is okay but showing that you have a gun is not?

If the guy was just hitting on a pretty lady and he didn't like it, wouldn't saying "I'm armed, stay away from me" be assault?

[headcase]

Originally Posted by Dredly

So he can disclose that he is armed and order someone not to come near him due to what he perceives as a threat and that is okay but showing that you have a gun is not? It is increments based on the level of threat you are facing. Big drunk guy stalking toward you saying he is going to beat your ass, gets told you are armed and to stop. He keeps coming, he is shown your weapon, he keeps coming, you draw your weapon. He keeps coming you shoot him. Again, all dependant on you having no retreat. Oh, and BTW, a hardy, "SOMEONE HELP ME", would probably need to enter the picture somewhere along the line.....
If the guy was just hitting on a pretty lady and he didn't like it, wouldn't saying "I'm armed, stay away from me" be assault? If a lady is getting beat up, you would probably say something like,"Hey you stop that". If he then stops and advances on you, see example above

*blue is mine

This stuff is pretty simple when you only stop and think about it.

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by Dredly

So he can disclose that he is armed and order someone not to come near him due to what he perceives as a threat and that is okay but showing that you have a gun is not?

If the guy was just hitting on a pretty lady and he didn't like it, wouldn't saying "I'm armed, stay away from me" be assault?

Most likely Terroristic Threats, which is a form of Assault in Pennsylvania.