If they come for your guns you will give them up.

[Mtbkski]

Originally Posted by bogey1

pass me another MAGAZINE..

If someone doesn't keep the "CLIP POLICE" on his toes. He may get lazy. Hey, look how far this went without EM responding.

It is more of a personal joke on my end and a tease at EM at the same time.

I'm still trying to teach the Betterhalf which is a CLIP and which is a MAGAZINE. She just says, "Whats the diffference? Just tell me which gun you need it for."

Guess I better just be glad I got her going to a pistol class and wanting to shoot for now.

[Booner]

This isn't Great Britain. 'Nuff said.

[Mtbkski]

Originally Posted by CoyoteJack

Only voluntary compliance would work.

And that is what will happen. How many people do you think would go against the law and keep them. Many say they won't know. But I think a lot of them would end up just giving them up.

Those not approached in the first round would be no doubt be stashing weapons and ammo in very non obvious locations.

First thing that I imagine happening is a Nation Wide Gun Buy Back. Like EM said. It won't be an over night thing. They are doing the Gun Buy Back in Cities and look at the firearms they get. Imagine a NATIONAL Gun Buy Back.

A ban on all weapons would be far less successful than the War on Drugs or Prohibition, with many of the same side effects.

Drugs make the sellers money. Your firearms aren't' your lively hood. Your family won't starve if you give up ownership. To a drug dealer. This is his lively hood. And he makes a very good living doing it. So, no comparison here.

A huge black market opportunity would develop and be exploited.

If you are willing to buy guns on the Black Market. You should have held on to them in the first place. Only BG will use this way, and that is happening now. Honest Citizens won't go this route.

Also consider that a few Waco-type scenarios would seriously harm the politicians involved and take the wind from their sails with regards to future votes.

If I was running this operation. I would wait and deal with these groups last. I would want to have the law abiding citizen convince that this is working and get them behind me. (Worked in Britain.) Then I would make the WACO crew out to be absolute crazies on National TV and justify the use of strategic weapons to quell the uprising. Stand back and deal with them from very long range. Remember, the military will be involved big time.

Non of the above is not really a voting choice.

Tell that to the people of New Orleans. I believed they voted the guy that announced the gun confiscation back in didn't they. Duhhhhhh.

Also while the 2A is important to many of us it isn't to alot of people or not as important as other political causes. This is why many times people who tend to think of themselves as pro-2A end up voting for those who are not. They are supporting a more important issue for that person.

I agree with you 100% on this one. Way to many of us sit and do nothing. I'm amazed at the number of Gun Owners I talk to that have no idea what is going on in the political field concerning firearms.

[Mtbkski]

Originally Posted by Booner

This isn't Great Britain. 'Nuff said.

We are almost paying the same thing for gas as they are. What have you done to stand up and stop this. Same thing we will do when the "Suttle" gun confiscation begins. And Suttle is the key word.

Tell Philadelphia that. Tell Washington DC that.

[Fraggle09027]

Originally Posted by Emptymag

Yeah, I think the important part of that post was lost.

Do what you can NOW, before it comes to the point where you must decide on giving them up, or leaving your children to fend for themselves while you sit in prison.

Why wait for them to come to the house.

It would be time to go camping in the middle of the woods well off a trail and get organized before committing suicide by trying to take on a military unit or swat unit.

Once your out of your house with your guns and ammo then group up and form a strategy.

[Emptymag]

Originally Posted by Emptymag
Yeah, I think the important part of that post was lost.

Do what you can NOW, before it comes to the point where you must decide on giving them up, or leaving your children to fend for themselves while you sit in prison.

Originally Posted by Fraggle09027

Why wait for them to come to the house.

It would be time to go camping in the middle of the woods well off a trail and get organized before committing suicide by trying to take on a military unit or swat unit.

Once your out of your house with your guns and ammo then group up and form a strategy.

Oh, I didn't realize it would be that simple.




WOLVERINES!!!!

[fultonCoShooter]

Originally Posted by Emptymag

Oh, I didn't realize it would be that simple.




WOLVERINES!!!!

[Booner]

Originally Posted by Mtbkski

We are almost paying the same thing for gas as they are. What have you done to stand up and stop this. Same thing we will do when the "Suttle" gun confiscation begins. And Suttle is the key word.

Tell Philadelphia that. Tell Washington DC that.

We aren't even close to what they are paying for fuel. I have family living in the UK. I'm a life NRA member, and politically active. As far as what I would do with my weapons should the government attempt to confiscate them, that's not something I'd discuss on a public forum.

[reels18]

What guns?

[jon'76]

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/16amjur2nd.htm


Unconstitutional Official Acts

16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256:

The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be In agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:

The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.

Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it.....

A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the lend, it is superseded thereby.

No one Is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.

Jon Roland:

Strictly speaking, an unconstitutional statute is not a "law", and should not be called a "law", even if it is sustained by a court, for a finding that a statute or other official act is constitutional does not make it so, or confer any authority to anyone to enforce it.

All citizens and legal residents of the United States, by their presence on the territory of the United States, are subject to the militia duty, the duty of the social compact that creates the society, which requires that each, alone and in concert with others, not only obey the Constitution and constitutional official acts, but help enforce them, if necessary, at the risk of one's life.

Any unconstitutional act of an official will at least be a violation of the oath of that official to execute the duties of his office, and therefore grounds for his removal from office. No official immunity or privileges of rank or position survive the commission of unlawful acts. If it violates the rights of individuals, it is also likely to be a crime, and the militia duty obligates anyone aware of such a violation to investigate it, gather evidence for a prosecution, make an arrest, and if necessary, seek an indictment from a grand jury, and if one is obtained, prosecute the offender in a court of law.




I must second the notion that NO ONE should be keeping records of their private long arm transfers. It is foolish to do something you're not legally required to do just because some jury somewhere could possibly attempt to misconstrue your intent if the recipient of your long arm uses it criminally.

I also think that we are in fairly good political shape, but we HAVE to preserve our freedoms by refusing to obey unconstitutional laws and using jury nullification to acquit innocent people who are guilty of violating an illegal or immoral law.


The most important thing anyone can do for freedom is tell everyone they know at every opportunity about the wonders of Jury Nullification.