One Step Closer to a Police State

[N3HCP]

I'll keep this real simple. I've been in 3 major crashes in my 58 years. In all 3 I was wearing a seat belt. Two involved roll-overs. In both I would have been seriously injured, if not killed. As it was, not a scratch form either accident. The third is iffy. The belts likely made no difference either way. If I'm driving the car doesn't move 'till everyone is buckled up. I'm a true believer and nothing on God's green earth will change my mind.

As for the original question...driving is a privilege, not a right. If you want to play in the State's sand box then you must play by their rules.

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by N3HCP

driving is a privilege, not a right. If you want to play in the State's sand box then you must play by their rules.

Some would argue that based on the right to travel freely, the above statement is incorrect.

[N3HCP]

Originally Posted by NineseveN

Some would argue that based on the right to travel freely, the above statement is incorrect.

One could indeed make such an argument. That said, one can travel as freely as one wishes without the privilege of driving. Witness the Amish, for example. Besides, PennDot seems to think it's a privilege, and they make the rules!
http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms...troduction.pdf

[Mrs. Pa Patriot]

Originally Posted by sjl127

Here's a riddle - Why don't motorcycles have seat belts?

Or school buses? hmmmm?

[FromMyColdDeadHands]

School buses would be my first line argument, if the government refuses to protect children while providing transportation to/from school then how can they justifiably punish us for not doing so? Do I wear a seatbelt yes, do I agree with seatbelt and helmet laws? No!!! Here is how I see it, if you choose to NOT wear a helmet and you have a motorcycle crash, there should be no responsibility on the part of society to pay for you to live in a nursing facility for the rest of your life as a vegetable. If you don't have insurance and your family can't afford it then in my opinion only basic measures should be taken at the hospital, if your responsible enough to make the choice then you must be responsible enough to face the consequences of your actions...even if that consequence is DEATH!!!

[Mrs. Pa Patriot]

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHands

School buses would be my first line argument, if the government refuses to protect children while providing transportation to/from school then how can they justifiably punish us for not doing so? Do I wear a seatbelt yes, do I agree with seatbelt and helmet laws? No!!! Here is how I see it, if you choose to NOT wear a helmet and you have a motorcycle crash, there should be no responsibility on the part of society to pay for you to live in a nursing facility for the rest of your life as a vegetable. If you don't have insurance and your family can't afford it then in my opinion only basic measures should be taken at the hospital, if your responsible enough to make the choice then you must be responsible enough to face the consequences of your actions...even if that consequence is DEATH!!!

Exactly....i could not understand the bus thing at all....especially since i have to provide the boys boosters until they are 8. Our oldest rode the school bus when we were getting shuttled from parking to the outdoor show in Harrisburg and he kept asking where the seatbelt was. lol

Makes absolutely no sense to me at all. But I agree with you, you have to take responsibility for yourself and you decisions. Unfortunately, since the government "helps" so much.....we live in a land of people who take no responsibility for anything they do....they just blame everyone else for their problems.

[FromMyColdDeadHands]

I agree with the sentiment of Ronald Reagan, government is not the solution, government is the problem...to bad we don't have more executives with that mentality...then again he was responsible for signing the 1986 volkmer mclure act...

[lildobe]

I've been in two situations where a seatbelt probably saved my life. The first was my first major accident shortly after I got my drivers license (stupid young driver) - I spun my car into a tree at over 50 MPH - had I not been belted in, it's likely I would have been ejected.

Second was on a race track at over 100mph - I lost control and ended up in the grass - upside down. Again, had it not been for the safety equipment (in that case a 5 point harness, neck brace and helmet retainer) I would have been dead.

Also, as a fire fighter, I've seen the aftermath of accidents where people who weren't belted in did NOT survive.

... Sorry, I'm gonna keep wearing my seat belt.

[RugerNiner]

This thread was never meant to be about seatbelts, it's about being detained to check on minor infractions of the law.
I always wear my seatbelt and I don't drink and don't want to be stopped without probable cause.
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Fourth Amendment - Search and Seizure

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[normanvin]

Isn't the seat belt law one of the nuisense laws. one that can not be ticketed unless you have been pulled over for another moving violation.

Public transportion buses do not have seat belts. I am not sure about the bus tour type bus, or the martz bus. There are mixed signals being sent for sure.