Gary Young Crawford County - Another improper LTCF revocation?

[TaePo]

Thanks for the updates.

I still don't have enough (any) information on which to base an opinion.

If anyone has the complaint or transcripts, let us know / post them please.

[ggig]

Our Sheriff in Butler County is retireng and i hope we ge another one as good as Denny Rickard...

[markheck1]

Originally Posted by TaePo

Thanks for the updates.

I still don't have enough (any) information on which to base an opinion.

If anyone has the complaint or transcripts, let us know / post them please.

I'd really like to see that as well....seems very strange to me, I must be missing something

[gnbrotz]

Posting text for archival purposes.

http://www.meadvilletribune.com/loca...057224758.html

Published February 26, 2009 10:46 pm - A Guys Mills man has lost his appeal of a 2008 court ruling which upheld a decision byCrawford County’s sheriff to revoke his permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Man loses appeal over revoked weapons permit

MEADVILLE TRIBUNE

A Guys Mills man has lost his appeal of a 2008 court ruling which upheld a decision by Crawford County’s sheriff to revoke his permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Gary A. Young filed an appeal in June 2008 to the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania, asking it to reverse the decision of Erie County Senior Judge Fred Anthony, who heard the case in Crawford County after the three local judges recused themselves from the case.

Crawford County Sheriff Nick Hoke had revoked Young’s permit earlier that year after receiving reports of statements made by Young. Hoke said he considered Young’s conduct to be threatening and potentially dangerous.

Young, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran and a retired public school teacher, turned in his permit without incident but then appealed Hoke’s decision to the Crawford County Court of Common Pleas, arguing the decision was made without proper grounds or due process of law.

He argued that the law required Hoke to have evidence that Young’s character and reputation is such that he would be likely to act in a manner dangerous to the public. Young said Hoke didn’t specify his reason for revoking the permit in his letter.

It was the first time in the county’s history that a gun permit had been revoked for something other than a person committing a crime or inappropriately displaying the gun in public.

Young hadn’t displayed his gun at any time.

On one occasion, Young had gone to Meadville Medical Center to see his son who was a patient there. Although police were notified of a potential problem, he had left the gun locked in the trunk of his car. Testimony at the hearing was that Young had also made some comments considered disturbing to people, and those concerns were voiced to Hoke.

After hearing two days of testimony, Anthony ruled Hoke’s action had been proper.

The recent Commonwealth Court decision affirms that ruling.

Young declined to make any statements on the decision Thursday, and his lawyer couldn’t be reached for comment.

[Ten*K]

wow.. just... wow.

I guess we're all boned, because we all talk about using the 2nd Am to defend ourselves and our liberties... and with alarming reliability all manner of government "officials" do their best to prohibit us from doing either.

At least the judge didn't belittle Mr. Young the way the judge in SFN's case did. Now, there is case law that Anti-types can use to strip away LTCF's at will from anyone they choose... making false statements and exaggerated claims in order to screw law abiding and decent folks out of their Constitutional Rights.

The hospital's stance on barring Mr. Young from entry unless there is medical necessity is also cruel and unjust. If his wife needs to go to the hospital for something, he's not allowed to accompany her or even visit her?

That Mr. Young still hasn't done anything even remotely threatening or dangerous, despite the absolute wrongness of this whole affair says two things: #1. The previous claims have no grounds (a model citizen both before and after the "non-incident"), #2 The man has the patience of a Saint.

I sincerely hope that all the responsible parties involved in this farcical "legal proceeding" get kicked in the balls by donkey repeatedly until this wrong has been righted.

[gnbrotz]

Note that it's now been more than one year since he was originally revoked. Mr. Young should re-apply for his LTCF.

§6114. Judicial Review.

The action of the chief of police, sheriff, county treasurer or other officer under this subchapter shall be subject to judicial review in the manner and within the time provided by 2 Pa.C.S. Ch. 7 Subch. B (relating to judicial review of local agency action). A judgment sustaining a refusal to grant a license shall not bar, after one year, a new application; nor shall a judgment in favor of the petitioner prevent the defendant from thereafter revoking or refusing to renew such license for any proper cause which may thereafter occur. The court shall have full power to dispose of all costs. (Chgd. by L.1995, Spec. Sess. 1, Act 17(8), eff 10/11/95.)

[MDJschool]

Originally Posted by gnbrotz

Note that it's now been more than one year since he was originally revoked. Mr. Young should re-apply for his LTCF.

Has Young yet applied again?

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by MDJschool

Has Young yet applied again?

I don't know. I had a lot of things come up in my life and never contacted him further. I'll see if I can get an update.