Gary Young Crawford County - Another improper LTCF revocation?

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by gnbrotz

Whether or not this case is a prime example to push for the removal of (e)(1)(i) is immaterial. Those of us who may anticipate being involved in future improper revocations may wish to study any revocation case that is even borderline improper in hopes of making our future efforts more effective.

yeah, i was in no way saying it would not be worthwhile to read the transcript...i'd be curious to read it myself.

i was just responding to some specific points philadelphia raised.

and then adding my own 2 cents that, in the general attempt to get this clause repealed, i think we should cite other cases rather than this one.

but that doesn't mean this is not an interesting case by any means.

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota

yeah, i was in no way saying it would not be worthwhile to read the transcript...i'd be curious to read it myself.

i was just responding to some specific points philadelphia raised.

and then adding my own 2 cents that, in the general attempt to get this clause repealed, i think we should cite other cases rather than this one.

but that doesn't mean this is not an interesting case by any means.

Understood. We're definitely on the same page.

[gnbrotz]

http://www.meadvilletribune.com/loca...176231229.html

Young appeals weapons permit ruling
By Jane Smith

A Guys Mills man has appealed an April court ruling which upheld a decision by Crawford County Sheriff Nick Hoke to revoke his permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Gary Young filed an appeal Tuesday to the Commonwealth Court, asking it to reverse the decision of Erie County Senior Judge Fred Anthony, who heard the case in Crawford County after the three local judges recused themselves from the case.

Hoke had revoked Young’s permit earlier this year after receiving reports of statements made by Young. Hoke considered Young’s conduct to be threatening and potentially dangerous.

Young, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran and a retired teacher, turned in his permit without incident but then appealed Hoke’s decision to the Crawford County Court of Common Pleas, arguing the decision was made without proper grounds or due process of law.

He argued that the law required Hoke to have evidence that Young’s character and reputation is such that he would be likely to act in a manner dangerous to the public. Young said Hoke didn’t specify his reason for revoking the permit in his letter.

It was the first time in the county’s history that a gun permit had been revoked for something other than a person committing a crime or inappropriately displaying the gun in public.

Young hadn’t displayed his gun at any time.

On one occasion, Young had gone to Meadville Medical Center to see his son who was a patient there. Although police were notified of a potential problem, he had left the gun locked in the trunk of his car. Testimony at the hearing was that Young also made some comments considered disturbing to people, and those concerns were voiced to Hoke.

After hearing two days of testimony, Anthony ruled Hoke’s action had been proper.

The judge said he was basing his decision solely on testimony heard in court as it pertained to the safety of the community. He said his ruling shouldn’t be seen as a bad reflection on Young’s reputation.

During the two-day hearing, testimony was given by several witnesses about Young’s good standing in the community. However, several others testified about statements made by Young which they said raised concerns about his mental stability. Because of stress he is under regarding a family situation, they voiced concerns for the safety of Young, his family and the community.

Arguing on behalf of his client, attorney Thomas Lyons said that evidence showed Young was a good citizen and involved in community activities. Young’s appeal notice contains no details about the reasons for the appeal.

Commonwealth Court now will review the hearing transcripts and determine whether Hoke’s actions met the law regarding revocation of the permit. There is no timeline by which it must act on this case.

Young and Hoke didn’t return phone calls for comment.

Jane Smith can be reached at 724-6370 or by e-mail at jsmith@meadvilletribune.com.

[Philadelphia]

Originally Posted by gnbrotz

http://www.meadvilletribune.com/loca...176231229.html

Thanks for the update. The article seems to be a good summary of what's going on.

I'm not sure if I'm repeating myself but at the risk of doing so, I find it remarkable that the judge on the one hand said the revocation has nothing to do with Young's reputation, yet on the other allowed a revocation based on charater and reputation. Having observed somewhat similar situations, I think the judge was just doing a little CYA -- so if by some highly unlikely chance Gary did flip, the fallout wouldn't include reporters clamboring for an answer as to why he reinstated the permit. The judge washed his hands of it and let the case just go on up the chain.

In the mean time, a law abiding citizen, Marine veteran at that, has been rendered defenseless by his gov't. Typical and very disturbing at the same time.

[PA-Joe]

Can he still open carry?

[P89]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

In the mean time, a law abiding citizen, Marine veteran at that, has been rendered defenseless by his gov't. Typical and very disturbing at the same time.

Indeed.

(10 char)

[pex]

Originally Posted by PA-Joe

Can he still open carry?

He might have to go to court AGAIN if he is found transporting, or the car found carrying, a 'firearm' in a vehicle, to his next place of open carry.

[XD40coyote]

So lets see, he can't legally carry concealed because he might be dangerous based on some people overhearing him saying something (ummm... hearsay?) , but he can keep his guns. So if he REALLY was dangerous, what law would stop him from going on some rampage? Heck the stress of the revocation alone could send him into some downward spiral that wasn't there beforehand.

Are they basing the revocation on him also maybe having depression and taking depression meds? If so, this is absolutely absurd beyond absurd.

So I guess none of us better ever say in public things like " that serial killer they caught should be beaten to death with a hammer", or "those kids they arrested in Philly for that murder, should be taken out back and shot"? Or " some people just deserve to die, like the varmints that eat my garden up"?

It's just WORDS people! EVERYONE says things like this!

[unix_slayer]

It's another case of somebody, who knows somebody, who knows somebody. Ya gotta make sure when your talking to yourself, that you are really alone. [sic]

[weavagra]

Sorry if this has already been posted. I did a search and this was the only thing I found.

Here is an update from yesterdays meadville tribune.

He lost his appeal.

http://www.meadvilletribune.com/loca...057224758.html