GOA On John McCain's Record - NO WAY!

[sjl127]

http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

If not, then who?

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by sjl127

http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

If not, then who?

I hate to side with Rush Limbaugh (even though I do find him entertaining sometimes), but if McCain gets the nod, the Republican party is over.

[awkx]

Originally Posted by sjl127

If not, then who?

I'll probably vote for whoever the Libertarian candidate happens to be, just to signify my displeasure at the two major-party nominees. The major parties have no way of knowing our displeasure at their nominees if we don't vote for someone else. If all of the 3rd-party candidates are unacceptable, one can also write-in "None of the above".

[awkx]

Originally Posted by NineseveN

I hate to side with Rush Limbaugh (even though I do find him entertaining sometimes), but if McCain gets the nod, the Republican party is over.

Indeed, yes! While Hillary or Obama would damage our country, an anti-1A RINO like McCain would damage not only our country (though maybe not as much as a Dem) but also the Republican party. Just look at what happened to it under Bush.

Edited to add: If Obama adopts a strong pro-2A stance after the Supreme Court verdict in DC v. Heller, unequivocally recognizing that a ban on so-called "assault weapons" is unconstitutional, I might vote for him just to keep an anti-1A RINO out of the White House and confirm that a pro-2A stance is good for either party.

[Pro2A]

McCain is no day at the beach and I'll more then likely hold my nose while I vote. He is 110% better then a Hillary or Obama tho... I urge conservatives to go out and vote if anything to get a Republican house and senate back. The presidency is lost, but our government has 3 branches.... dont forget that.

[Morel42]

Originally Posted by Pro2A

McCain is no day at the beach and I'll more then likely hold my nose while I vote. He is 110% better then a Hillary or Obama tho... I urge conservatives to go out and vote if anything to get a Republican house and senate back. The presidency is lost, but our government has 3 branches.... dont forget that.

Though if you have a choice, not the same Bush ass kissers?

[bogey1]

Originally Posted by awkx

Indeed, yes! While Hillary or Obama would damage our country, an anti-1A RINO like McCain would damage not only our country (though maybe not as much as a Dem) but also the Republican party. Just look at what happened to it under Bush.

Edited to add: If Obama adopts a strong pro-2A stance after the Supreme Court verdict in DC v. Heller, unequivocally recognizing that a ban on so-called "assault weapons" is unconstitutional, I might vote for him just to keep an anti-1A RINO out of the White House and confirm that a pro-2A stance is good for either party.

thats not a good thing (2nd amendment wise) to do. he may get some heat from the 2a croud, and then he will say dont worry im on your side bla bla bla .....and then when he gets in office? guess what... what ever he said about being pro 2a? right out the window... it happens all the time with the jack ass's and elephants....now mCcain? forget him, i remember watching him years ago and him saying how anti 2a he is...im just going to have to wait for a miracle... or dr. paul..........

[Pro2A]

The thing with McCain is he won't push for a AWB. He would sign one if it ever came to his desk, just like Bush has said too. We have enough "umph" in congress right now to keep it from happening. No matter what happens we're going to have a shitty president the next 4 years. I see it this way, you have 3 options:

1. Stay home. You'll punish the Republican moderates and Republican elites. Hillary or Obama gets in. We're stuck with a Dem congress. We'll end up with a supreme court that will wreak this nation for a generation.

2. Vote, but dont vote for president. Vote to get a Republican house and senate back. This gives us a majority in the house to block anything Obama or Hillary might try to push. We still get a bad supreme court and a president that will shit on our military.

3. Vote for McCain. We get better supreme court judges. Supports the military. Health care reform will at least be capitalistic. Downsides include immigration, fairness doctrine, and fighting him over global warming bullcrap. But then again we get most of that with the Dems anyway. We'll have a Republican congress back, and they have slowly been purging the party of the rhinos. This will give us a good chance of having a good conservative run in 2012.

[Broomhandle]

Originally Posted by NineseveN

I hate to side with Rush Limbaugh (even though I do find him entertaining sometimes), but if McCain gets the nod, the Republican party is over.

(standing on soapbox)
I fear a continuation of neocon rule under McCain, which will include serious gun-control as well as endless war in the middle east over the warmed over marxism of the two democrats. I say this because what Clinton and Obama want simply can't be sustained and it will not survive contact with the real world.

On the other hand the police state that the current incarnation of the republican party is actively pursuing, and will pursue even more vigorously under the unstable McCain, is well within reach and can be made to function quite well.

After the defeat the party will have a chance to rebuild.

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by Pro2A

The thing with McCain is he won't push for a AWB. He would sign one if it ever came to his desk, just like Bush has said too. We have enough "umph" in congress right now to keep it from happening. No matter what happens we're going to have a shitty president the next 4 years. I see it this way, you have 3 options:

The scary thing is that McCain is even less conservative and more anti-gun than Bush.

1. Stay home. You'll punish the Republican moderates and Republican elites. Hillary or Obama gets in. We're stuck with a Dem congress. We'll end up with a supreme court that will wreak this nation for a generation.

Staying home is bad.

2. Vote, but dont vote for president. Vote to get a Republican house and senate back. This gives us a majority in the house to block anything Obama or Hillary might try to push. We still get a bad supreme court and a president that will shit on our military.

Regardless of who wins the Presidential election, we need a pro-gun, pro-liberty House and/or Senate, period. A Democrat-controlled Congress + McCain = gun control and a whole slew of other things that most of us really don't want. The part about shitting on the military assumes that we're all for the Iraq War, which, as can easily be shown, we're not. That gives less of an incentive to vote for McCain for those that aren't in line with the party's views on that subject.

3. Vote for McCain. We get better supreme court judges. Supports the military. Health care reform will at least be capitalistic. Downsides include immigration, fairness doctrine, and fighting him over global warming bullcrap. But then again we get most of that with the Dems anyway. We'll have a Republican congress back, and they have slowly been purging the party of the rhinos. This will give us a good chance of having a good conservative run in 2012.

Supreme court judges? Define "better". While I agree that we might get judges that are a little more conservative than those the Dems might nominate, this is only because of McCain's focus on the Iraq War. Other than that, there's nothing to say that McCain wouldn't nominate some of the very same people as the Democrats would (or people very similar) as on many issues, the line is blurry or non-existing. I too hope that if McCain is elected that he'll succumb to pressure from the GOP and nominate more Conservative-leaning justices, but I don't know that I'd hold my breath waiting for it.

Healthcare would be a little better under McCain, it probably won't bankrupt us as quickly.

Immigration is a three-sided issue; not everyone agrees with building a wall (which can keep us in as much as it can keep them out) and most probably wouldn't agree that we should spend billions on a wall and ignore what's actually creating the problem; shielding corporations from the law and the Welfare State in this country. I don't know that McCain could fix either of those, especially without an actual conservative House and Senate.

The GOP hasn't really done much to purge the RINOs, I don't see that getting any better unless the people stop electing them.

The other downside to this is, once again, we'll be showing the GOP that we'll fall for the lesser of two evils platform and that we'll vote for almost anyone, even if they're not conservative and hardly Republican even if only to keep the other team out of the winner's circle. This means that come 2012, our choices won't be much better than McCain, Rudy or Romney...in fact, they just might be worse. If we keep rewarding the GOP by voting for their candidates, they'll keep giving us what we're voting for...to be shit on by Republicans In Name Only.