The 2009 AWB, planning ahead?

[Stooperzero]

OH NO..

MOre DOOM AND GLOOM

Break out the fuckin' TIN FOIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gf45acp]

Talk tin foil to the people in NJ.

[Gkgas]

I believe Bush has said he would sign an assault weapons ban back into law but the Congress has not been able to get it to his desk.

[adymond]

Originally Posted by Gkgas

I believe Bush has said he would sign an assault weapons ban back into law but the Congress has not been able to get it to his desk.

I need a source on this. I don't belive it. He's messed up on a lot, but I don't see that happening.

[widearea]

Originally Posted by adymond

I need a source on this. I don't belive it. He's messed up on a lot, but I don't see that happening.

I think he said it to appease the gun grabbers...he knew it would never come..

[Gkgas]

Originally Posted by adymond

I need a source on this. I don't belive it. He's messed up on a lot, but I don't see that happening.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/#storyContinued

Congress lets assault weapons ban expire
Gun dealers say it never worked; many police wanted it, though
The Associated Press
updated 8:28 p.m. ET, Mon., Sept. 13, 2004

BOISE, Idaho - The expiration Monday of a 10-year federal ban on assault weapons means firearms like AK-47s, Uzis and TEC-9s can now be legally bought — a development that has critics upset and gun owners pleased.

The 1994 ban, signed by then President Clinton, outlawed 19 types of military-style assault weapons. A clause directed that the ban expire unless Congress specifically reauthorized it, which it did not.

Studies done by pro- and anti-gun groups as well as the Justice Department show conflicting results on whether the ban helped reduce crime. Loopholes allowed manufacturers to keep many weapons on the market simply by changing their names or altering some of their features or accessories.

Similar models already sold
Gun shop owners said the expiration of the ban will have little effect on the types of guns and accessories that are typically sold and traded across their counters every day.

At the Boise Gun Co., gunsmith Justin Davis last week grabbed up a black plastic rifle resembling the U.S. military’s standard issue M-16 from a row of more than a dozen similar weapons stacked against a wall.

The civilian version of the gun, a Colt AR-15 manufactured before 1994, could be sold last week just as easily as it can be sold this week. “It shoots exactly the same ammo at exactly the same rate of fire,” said Davis.

Many states — including California, Massachusetts, New York and Hawaii — have passed their own laws curbing the use of assault weapons. Some of those are more stringent than the federal ban.

U.S. Rep. Butch Otter, R-Idaho, trumpeted the end of the federal law. “President Clinton’s so-called ’assault weapons’ ban was nothing more than a sop to antigun liberals,” Otter said in a written statement. “It provided only the illusion of reducing gun violence, but it did real damage to our liberties.”

In March, the Senate voted to add the ban to a bill that would have immunized gun manufacturers from liability suits stemming from violent gun crimes. But the Senate voted 90-8 against the final bill after the National Rifle Association urged its defeat.

National Rifle Association President Wayne LaPierre said supporters of the ban could not muster the support needed to bring it to a vote in the House because several Democrats attribute losing their majority in the House in 1994 over votes then in favor of the ban.

Those in favor of ban
But advocates for the ban, including the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, point to some particularly vicious shootings in which military-style weapons were used — including the 10 killings in the sniper shooting spree that terrorized residents in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C., in 2002.

National police organizations such as the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers and the Fraternal Order of Police all support the renewal of the ban. President Bush has said he would sign such a bill if Congress passed it.

Idaho State Police spokesman Rick Ohnsman said troopers have had no significant problems with assault style weapons and his agency has not taken a position for or against the federal legislation.

“Of course, the legitimate owners of guns register them. Unfortunately, whether there is a ban or not, some individuals will find ways to get weapons that are illegal.”

Background checks continue
The expiration of the assault weapons ban does not mean the end of federal background checks. The 1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act is separate legislation from the assault weapons ban, said Daniel Wells, chief of the FBI unit charged with overseeing the background checks system.

“The change in law relating to assault weapons has no impact on the Brady Law,” Wells said.

Davis predicted the biggest change in his business will be the ability of manufacturers and importers to market higher capacity ammunition magazines — the removable “clip” that holds and feeds bullets through guns.

Under the 1994 ban, the maximum capacity of a magazine was set at 10 rounds. That sent the price of high-capacity magazines through the roof, Davis said, even though magazines manufactured before the ban were protected by a “grandfather” provision and could still be sold.

Now, some gun manufacturers are planning to give away high-capacity magazines as bonuses for buying their weapons. Sales of formerly banned gun accessories, such as flash suppressors and folding stocks, are also expected to take off.
© 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/

[widearea]

Originally Posted by RONNIE77

I have a few AR stripped lowers for future builds.
I know that you can buy complete uppers without any registering and it can be sent right to your door in the mail.

But do you think that they will try to eliminate uppers too, to prevent future builds? But that also would mean, no replacement parts for existing rifles. So you wouldn't be able to fix your shit, it something happens to it.
Same goes for lower parts kits.

Well..the bayo lugs would have to go..as well as the flash hiders/heat shields pistol grips cause we all know about the bayonet crime spree we had to deal with the past couple years....

[WhiteFeather]

Originally Posted by RONNIE77

And further more, how can the government say that everyone who owns high capacity round, semi auto sporting rifles has to turn them in....Bullshit, no friggin way.
Am I getting money from the government for my firearms that I paid for?
Am I to be forced to sell them? And to who, a dealer for cheap?

I can see them being able to eliminate the civilian purchase new firearms, but not the confiscation or surrendering of legally owned existing civilian firearms.
There would be a whole lot of angry American gun owners, and I don't think they can handle that shit storm.

Constitutional Right.........Hmmmm, what are they going to just erase that one?

Ya way they can do it IF we let them......


Watch them do it IF the antis ever get enough votes to do it.

For some of you that didn't know there is several bills in PA right now that would make PA the most anti-gun state in the country way above the federal assault weapon ban.

http://acslpa.org/n-legislative/pa_p...egislation.htm

Anti Gun Rights Bills Summary

HB 30 - Assault Weapon Ban, prohibition, registration, penalties (Amend 18 Pa.C.S.)



INTRODUCED BY FRANKEL, D. EVANS, BISHOP, WHEATLEY, YOUNGBLOOD, COHEN, BENNINGTON, GERBER, JAMES, MYERS,
STURLA, WILLIAMS, CRUZ, CURRY, GALLOWAY, JOSEPHS, KIRKLAND, LEACH, M. O'BRIEN, PASHINSKI AND ROEBUCK


This is an extremely bad bill. It will make it illegal to possess a huge number of common firearms now owned and used by NRA competitive shooters and many other law abiding gun owners in PA. This bill makes the following unlawful:



1) To own, use, possess or sell an unregistered “assault weapon”.



2) Any accessory such as any detachable magazine over 10 rounds, barrel shroud, folding stock, thumbhole stock, telescoping stock, muzzle break or muzzle compensator. These parts described above are defined as “conversion kits”. Possession of conversion kits or components carries the penalty of first degree felony.



3) To keep your “assault weapon” you MUST register it with the state police every year, pay a registration fee every year and undergo a complete background check every year. You will be required to safely and securely store “assault weapons” pursuant to regulations. You will be legally permitted to use the “assault weapon” only on your property or duly licensed firing range.



When transporting an “assault weapon,” you will only be allowed to travel directly to and from certain locations (without intermittent stops) and with special storage requirements.



Your registered “assault weapon” will have zero resale value, as you will be banned from selling, trading or transferring it. Someone will be allowed to inherit it provided they comply with all the above requirements within 30 days. The only way to dispose of your “assault weapon” will be to turn it over to the state police for destruction or permanent disabling so that it is incapable of discharging a projectile. Note: the state police will be allowed to perform a compliance inspection at your home once a year to ensure that you are not violating any provision of this law. If you are found in violation, the penalty is a third degree felony.

NOTE they are letting you keep your so called Assault weapons but everything else for them is gone.... no compenstation nothing except a jail cell for possession of any of them.....


There are several other extreme anti-gun PA proposed legislation listed on the web site.
Note: how they get around the law you have a right to own firearms, there is NO Constitutional right or protection for high capacity magazines, ammo or replacement parts, Limited place to use them or transport them, all you are left with is a real expense club (a gun without ammo) Plus they can keep raising the yearly fees till almost no one except the very rich could afford to keep them.

[kevindsingleton]

I think we all missed some ulta-important thing that Dredly said, "Is there a group buy of AR lowers in the works?"

Maybe we should get started on this, now. Al's Custom, in Freedom, PA, has DPMS lowers for $149.95, right now. Maybe he could do a little better on a case of 10? http://www.alscustom.com

Is there a better deal to be had?

[RocketFoot]

We already have a good deal on Anvil Lowers with the PAFOA Logo for around $100!

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/group-purchases-127/12401-anvil-arms-custom-pafoa-receivers.html