Disturbing Video, Police Assault Woman, Strip Searched

[adymond]

Originally Posted by stinkymcdoober

I wanted to comment on this video, but your post has just superceded that. To say that those policies are stupid is an ignorant and selfish comment. I'm very sorry, but as a man you may never come into a situation where you are the underdog, helpless to another's whim, wrong or not. I hope you never are in this situation, but the fact remains that there is an overwhelming number oftimes that men have used their size, strength, and power to force themselves on women, but it's bullshit right, because women wantedequal rights, right? They should be able to take care of themselves, i guess.

You are wrong about what I was saying. I clearly said when men use their size or authority to take advantage of a woman or a smaller man or ANYONE that is wrong, but to enact a policy based on the improper actions of some is not right. I never said it was okay or that a woman should just have to deal with improper behavior.

Originally Posted by stinkymcdoober

These policies are set in place for situations like this very one. Having a female search another female does not get in the way of another male officer doing his job properly. Or does it, because he needs to rely on a woman for part of his job? God fucking forbid.

Cut the crap. You are trying to turn this into an emotional discussion. I want to talk about this logically. I didn't say it would be wrong to rely upon ANYONE else to do a job let alone a man relying on a woman. What you fail to see is that there may be times where a female is not available. What should happen then? Should we allow unqualified people to take a job just because we need to have enough women to keep an adequate number on staff so that there are always women available for searches? The qualifications are different for male and female officers. Fine. That's another discussion going on in another thread, but if there are not enough women to fit the needs do we drop the requirements further so we can meet the needs?

Originally Posted by stinkymcdoober

So what you are saying is i have no right to request a female gynocologist when i go to the OBGYN? Because that makes me more comfortable. I understand a doctor and an officer are different, and seeing them is for different reasons,but the premise is the same. Many men just don't understand that being a woman sometimes is psychologically difficult.

Nope that's not what I am saying. Again cut the crap. You have the right to go to any damn doctor you want. You don't get to choose what LEO you interact with if you have been arrested and are in jail. I am making the assumption that in most cases you will interact with LEO who are not degenerates. This is no different than gun owners getting pissed that because of the actions of criminals we are treated differently. LEO are treated differently because some of them are criminals. Is that any worse than when we have the same problem?

Originally Posted by stinkymcdoober

I'm not man bashing, just "bad man" bashing. Those men that think that policy doesn't apply, because they were "doing their job" or whatever. Or those who naively believe that all men,or people for that matter, are good hearted.


i'm sorry if that's over the line, this issue hits home for me a little....

I am bashing the "bad" men too. Don't you think it is a bit naive to assume all people are bad and we need to act accordingly? If that's your stance then the government should confiscate all firearms and outlaw them period. I realize this hits home, but it does for me too. I have family that are LEO, I have been the victim of violent crime by "bad" men, I have female family that were victims of crime because of the strength of other men. Don't assume you are the only one with emotions. Take a step back and look at this and at what I am saying. Don't project your assumptions onto my argument.

[adymond]

Originally Posted by shefearsnothing

Thank you! You said what I was thinking but probably much more nicely. I think he SHOULD read the article and watch the video and THEN re-evaluate his statements considering this was the person who was up on his high horse about shooting a naked boyfriend in his daughter's room just on the premise that he would be trespassing and it was "his right". I bet the farm three times over that if this happened to his wife or daughter he would be singing an ENTIRELY different tune.

Don't presume to know anything about what I would do if anything like this (or worse) happened to family. I was never on a high horse about shooting a naked boy. If you want to discuss my point of view on that go back to the other thread. I was not commenting on this situation but rather on the larger demand that policies be put in place because of criminal action by some. It is no different to say women should only be searched by women because some men are bad than to say firearms should not be available to people because some people are criminals. They are both playing on fears. One plays on the fears that any man in a position of authority will abuse it, the other plays on the fear that anyone with a gun is dangerous.

[ETA] Let me clarify a bit more. I read the story (cant see the video from work) and from what I can see there may or may not have been criminal actions from the men in the case. I can't make a determination from what is available, but that does not change my point. If a crime is committed by an LEO they should be punished. Maybe even punished more harshly than non LEO because they have sworn an oath to serve and protect. I think as a society we are too soft on criminals and sexual predators are on an equal setting as murders in my mind. Both should be eradicated. That was also part of the reason I said in the other thread that I would shoot a naked male on a female (especially my daughter's) bed. Go back and take a look at my reasoning. Unknown naked male standing on female's bed has a high potential to be sexual assault. That is what would determine my actions. If you want to talk more about it go to the other thread. Here's the link http://www.pafoa.org/forum/news-123/...er-s-room.html

[Michele]

I didn't want to post here but.......

There are actually male LEO's, PO's, cops, (whatever u want to call them) who are decent respectful gentlemen. I can attest to that personally.

When I was arrested I was treated with the utmost respect. Why? Because I gave respect. I was treated with the utmost professionalism that any NYC cop could have given. I didn't need to be restrained. They actually let me empty my own pockets. They were actually saddend and upset that they had to arrest me, however, the law is the law.

I did expect to be frisked. I didn't expect them to call a female officer in the middle of the night just to give me a patdown.

Because of these incidents like the ones on the tube, male officers are painted in a bad light. They are all not perverts, cukoos or law breakers. They do a job, and most do it well. They have to put up with the most outrageous shit. They will restrain with force if the perp is resistant. Its their job. I would imagine that they absolutely hate arresting people. They would probably like to go home after their shift, rather than fill out mountains of redundant paperwork for hours and hours.

Now, I agree its the luck of the draw when you call the police or they have to show up for an accident or a crime scene. Sometimes you get a male, sometimes a female, and sometimes both. Thankfully in my police officer experiences, i've found both male and female to be equally professional and courteous. However, when it comes to going to the doctor, getting your hair done or going to a massage therapist, you have a personal choice, male or female.

I'm not in any way opposed to female officers. In fact i've made it perfectly clear in that other thread how I feel. Yes, women should be officers. I do believe there is a place in law enforcement for both male and female. There are some isolated incidents where only a female should be there for certain incidents. And I truly believe that most male officers would step aside in certain circumstances to let a female cop take over. I would imagine it would also be vise versa. Remember officers are human.

I think that allot of people on this forum have a bad taste in their mouths for police officers. Given the recent happenings its to be expected.

I've had extremely positive police encounters with officers here in PA while carrying. I refuse to group all officers together and call them bad. Of course there are the handful that are bad, but, aren't all "groups" that way.

Sometimes we forget that ALL officers are human. They deal with the most outrageous shit, and they also deal with the every day life we do. Sometimes both mix together, being a cop and a dad, a cop and a brother, etc. Don't fault them for being just like you and me.

I would also like to add, that women have taken on this misconception that they can say and do whatever they want with impunity. Times have changed. Women are not the FAIRER sex anymore. They are the OTHER sex. Women MUST be responsible for their own actions, and their own MOUTHS, just like men have always been, thats equality.

Nobody is above an ass whopping. Not even a woman.

Equality is a two way street!

[adymond]

Michele I have to thank you for saying what I was trying to say.

SFN and Stinky, I am sorry if my posts were taken to mean something they were not intended to mean. I hope you can see what I was trying to say and not make the assumption that I was saying mistreatment of any person by a person in an authority position is allowable due to equality. That is not what I was saying.

[stinkymcdoober]

Originally Posted by adymond

Michele I have to thank you for saying what I was trying to say.

SFN and Stinky, I am sorry if my posts were taken to mean something they were not intended to mean. I hope you can see what I was trying to say and not make the assumption that I was saying mistreatment of any person by a person in an authority position is allowable due to equality. That is not what I was saying.

I have to admit adymond,i was responding to that one post you made, and that was all. What you said earlier in this thread or in another i did not read, which is probably my own fault,ishould have read the whole thread before commenting possibly out of context.

And please, i would hope that you and michele know that i wasn't speaking specifically to cops about being bad. Ihave had bad experiences with them, but good ones as well. My thoughts were for men, not just male officers. I know I'm not the only person with past experiences, of course. I apologize if i'd lead anyone to believe otherwise. Like i said I may have taken your comments out of context, not knowing what you said previously. I don't apologize for my thoughts, but merely how they may have been conveyed or verbalized.

[Michele]

Its all good! HUG?

[stinkymcdoober]

haha, word

[John7878]

Originally Posted by jofreder

I never said she started the Fight nor did I suggest my "theory". I know you are passionate about this indecent but stop changing my words to better suit your argument.

May statement in lessons learned was "Don't fight with the Police". Were did I say She started the fight.


My theory is that the video does no show the entire story. Why the Cops were called, what her behavior was toward the cops, her alleged refusals to comply, etc... Without the whole story I just do not know and can only make judgments based on what I do know.

Ok, sorry. Maybe thats what the problem is. I have done more than look at the dozen or so videos out on this.
I pulled a Freedom of Info and got the trial transcript.

I have talked to a LOT of people involved in this. Heres some to give you an idea:
Butch Hunyadi - Bureau of Adult Detention
Darren - Dept of Corrections
John Ferrero - Stark County Prosecutor
Paul Scarsella & Bridget Carty - Special Prosecutions Ohio Attorney General
Jim Gravelle - Ohio Press Secretary
Jonathan Stump - Correctional Healthcare Group
Vivianne Whalen & Teresa Wilson - Stark County Jail-Human Resources
Carrie & Gail - Stark County Sheriff's Office-Secretary
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Never have talked to the sheriff himself though, and I have left my name & number at LEAST 3 times, with assurances that he would contact me.

And the more I try to look into this and see all the stuff that just don't add up, and then experience Stark county jail staff lie outright to me, I guess it gets me even more "passionate" about this case.

Sorry if it spilled over to you.....

[Rugbyman2000]

Wonder why I don't trust the police???

[adymond]

Originally Posted by Rugbyman2000

Wonder why I don't trust the police???

Because the interwebs tell you not to?

Honestly that's like police saying "Wonder why we don't like black/hispanic/white/fill in the blank people?"