I'm buying a new gun tomorrow. Help me choose.

[synergy]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

Theoretical, maybe...but it has to do more with proper grip than the millimeters difference in where the bore is. Weight is also going to be a factor. Add bad grip to any gun, it's going to jump all over the place.

I have no dog in this fight. It will never stop, but I just get tired of reading answers to questions like what gun should I get like "get a glock, it's a glock" or get this or that or the other thing. The best advice to give someone who's shopping for a gun, any gun, is:

"Go put your hands on as many as possible, shoot them if you can, and decide which one works best for you. Who cares what anyone else gets. Springfield, Glock, Smith and Wesson, and all the other top brands out there are capable of producing reliable, durable, and accurate firearms. Go get the one that fits your hand, you're the one who's going to be shooting it. If the XD sucked as much as this other poster is saying, it wouldn't be the gun used by the Croatian military. It wouldn't have received Handgun of the Year awards. It wouldn't get rave reviews by OBJECTIVE EXPERTS. I'm not talking about magazines with paid sponsors. Everyone has an opinion and we all know the sayings about them. It's your money, pick a brand who stands behind its products (I'd say a lifetime warranty is saying something) and go shoot and shoot and shoot some more. Go put a couple hundred flawless rounds of your carry ammo through it and then carry it. Hopefully you never have to use it. Good luck. Stay safe."

I mean, for every case someone brings up about a single example of a roll pin breaking on this gun and an extractor that needs adjusted on that gun...you know, when you're talking about mass produced firearms that aren't custom/hand built, you're going to have an occasional issue. When you see numerous people put tens of thousands of rounds, a hundred thousand rounds through a gun, I'd say it's capable of depending your life on it, whatever the logo is.

JT...all of the weight is in the reciprocating slide....it will flip the gun more. The bore axis is higher, you're fighting physics.

The slide IS wider than the Glocks. The gun will be more difficult to conceal, all other things equal.

If your carrying a 1911 in the same holster as a XD...you're probably not someone I'd take carry advice from.

You have a loaded chamber indicator projecting out of the top of the slide, perfect for snagging your shirt on when you reholster. You have a cheap "cocked striker indicator" which sticks out of the back of the gun, perfect for snagging a cover garment.

You say there's a legal problem with pinning a grip safety...this is a moot point. I said I think it's a gimmick, and my gun doesn't have one....your legal retort is of no consequence to my opinion. A 1911 won't take its own thumb safety off, take itself out of the holster, and push it's own trigger either....any lawyer worth his weight could defend you.

you can get a 3 magazine kit with a mag pouch from Springfield for under $40. If Glock mags are less than $15/piece, good for them.

Your also using a current promo to justify the price of the XD mags...lets talk about these guns as they've been on the market for 10 years, not the past 2 months. Someone might decide to buy mags AFTER that promo ends, too...

Have I ever shot the XD? I carried one for a while (out of necessity), and I shoot one almost every week. I've shot each and every model they put out (with the exception of the .357Sig models)...including some that came from the SA custom shop...they still felt like junk to me.

I liked the grip angle and the safety of the XD. When I raised the gun up to eye level, the sights were aligned. With the Glock, I was looking at the top of the slide. That's why when I recommend a gun, I say go get your hands on as many as you can and shoot them if possible before buying. It's called giving good advice and being objective.

So you didn't buy a gun because you weren't comfortable with a different grip angle, yet you advocate learning an entirely new grip angle for an alternate carry gun?

Also, since you've mentioned that anyone who has more muzzle flip with an XD than with a Glock is shooting the gun wrong...

More muzzle flip? That's called improper grip and operator error.

Actually, that'd probably be you holding the gun wrong. Driving the gun and controlling the recoil as much as possible, all the joints in the arms should be locked including the wrist...if you were doing this, the Glock would line up fine for you. The XD may be more "natural", but it isn't conducive to high-speed gun handling. Add to this the heavier slide slamming back and forth, and the higher bore axis (remember all about levers and fulcrums in physics?) and you have a gun that has noticeably more muzzle flip.

Learn a new gun? What's to learn? Other than getting used to the trigger and when the sear drops the sear, firing them is pretty identical. There are no manual external safeties to disengage. Field stripping is a piece of cake.

Your above statement tells me a lot.

Different sight picture,
different grip angle,
different trigger reach,
different trigger reset distance and feel,
different grip circumference,
different grip texture,
different mag release,
different trigger pull,
different height of the sights over your grip,
different slide release location,
different cocking serration texture,
different mag feel/ texture,
different balance,
different recoil impulse,
different mag well cuts (how you'd rip a stuck mag out)
different loaded chamber indicators and cocked indicators (as you indicated this being such a neat selling point on the XD)

....but hell, what do all those little details matter on the gun your trusting your life with? Why not just wing it!

What are you talking about watching the gun into the holster? I never said anything about keeping my eye on it,

No, I did...that's how you also should holster a gun...Glocks are not the only gun that will fire when you shove the trigger into something. So will any gun without a manual safety, or a safety which is not engaged.

I said about putting your thumb on the back of the slide to take your thumb off the grip safety. An AD regardless of when it happens is obviously a bad thing. Do you have statistics to show when ADs happen most often? Most of what I've read about Glock ADs are by police officers in holstering situations. Ever head the phrase "getting Glocked?"

Most of what you've read....huh. Did you read about the NJ State Police repeatably shooing themselves with their P7M8's...you want to talk about having a "grip safety"?! How about how most holstering AD's are from the shooter leaving their finger in the trigger guard when they go to reholster.....guess where the web of their hand is?

"Getting Glocked"? That's new to me....Sounds like hip hop lyrics....That or the title for the video of one famous dumba** shooting their self on camera.

As you said, the Glock doesn't have enough tension on the striker to dent the primer enough, and I'm sure you're speaking from experience, so why would the Glock have a cocked striker indicator if it's never cocked enough to fire the gun without pulling the trigger?

That's how the trigger functions....email Gaston and ask him. Neither gun will restrike a cartridge...take that for what it's worth. Your the one who brought this up as a selling point...now you want to argue about the Glock doing the same thing will fewer parts? Why?

There are people who, when storing their XDs, will dry fire to release the striker. Someone who stores a handgun with the striker down and a loaded magazine will want to know whether or not a round is chambered and the striker is cocked should that firearm need to be used quickly right out of the safe or wherever it's being stored.

Someone who's doing that is wrong, but that's another conversation.

This is incorrect. A weak or broken spring wouldn't allow the XD to discharge. Gravity would be pulling the striker safety down. Unless you're shooting a like gangster or upside down, it won't matter. A worn sear or overmodified sear shouldn't be in a carry gun. If it's worn or overmodified (read screwed up), it isn't safe at all and that's not how they come from the factory. That's operator/smith error.

How do you know which way a broken spring may be binding up in the gun? I guess inertia and centripetal force don't count either, just gravity.

Show me where any of these parts have broken at all let alone from being too thin and too week.

Don't have to, I've seen it with my own eyes (cocked indicator), and there are pics floating around on the net....

So, with one hand, how do manage to do whatever it is you need to do with the slide that is prevented by the grip safety?

Rack the gun with one wet hand, off of your belt or something, to clear out a dud round. Now do it with a compromised grip (advantage glock, though a slight one at that.)

Does the Glock have a lifetime warranty? I didn't think so, but I do know the Springfield does.

For all intensive purposes it does. The good news is they don't need to wait for the parts to come in from Croatia to fix them, though. Everything but the slide, frame, and factory barrel for the Glock can be bought online at any of a number of stores, and the parts are VERY easy to replace (except the striker channel liner)...can you say the same for the XD?

This has nothing to do with Glock "kool aid" it has to do with thinking for yourself and making an informed choice. You're welcome to choose the "gun of the year" for your carry purposes...I'll make up my own mind.

[synergy]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

Maybe this is a good read about the XD since we need examples of the actually functioning as it was intended to.

One more thing about the too many parts and the parts are too thin and weak...the XD's trigger is steel, not a piece of plastic, as are the sights, and the magazines are made entirely out of a non-plastic material making them slide in and out very nicely. Only the base plate and the follower are polymer.

So we're using marketing info now....great...that's objective.

If your pressing the trigger hard enough to break plastic, I'd say you have some pretty bad shooting habbits.

Funny how you see more magazine problems with the XD's than you do with the Glocks....

[itstock]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

I've never seen the XD's trigger break due to a kaBOOM either. But it's a good thing the original poster was asking about a 9mm Glock since the .40 S&W and .45 ACP cartridges have cause catastrophic failures in the Glocks such as ruptured casings due to the chambers not being fully supported.

WHAT??!?!? You mean that the XD doesn't KABOOM with improper ammo???? Don't tell that to this guy.


http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49898

[Pro2A]

I would narrow it down to the XD or the Glock.

[BradC]

Guys, you are both reaching for things to talk shit on the other platform.

The "cocked indicator" snagging? Give me a break. It is a very rounded protrusion that protrudes very minimally. If you can snag that on something...

I have an XD. Is it perfect? No. Was it the best choice for me? Yes.

Most of my friends are Glock shooters. Are they perfect? No. Do they like them? Yes.

Leave it at that.

To the OP, buy whatever you feel most comfortable shooting with and is affordable to you.

Either the Glock or XD is a fine carry weapon.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by synergy

JT...all of the weight is in the reciprocating slide....it will flip the gun more. The bore axis is higher, you're fighting physics.

Regardless, I don't experience uncontrollable muzzle flip, maybe you should work on your grip...we're talking about a 9mm here, not a .50 AE.

Originally Posted by synergy

The slide IS wider than the Glocks. The gun will be more difficult to conceal, all other things equal.

Again, we're talking millimeters here and it's more than likely not even perceivable.

Originally Posted by synergy

If your carrying a 1911 in the same holster as a XD...you're probably not someone I'd take carry advice from.

That's your opinion and your choice. The holster fully supports both guns and conceals well. Holsters are a personal choice. I don't carry in that holster often, but it was a quick fix until a holster made for my XD arrived. Moving on.

Originally Posted by synergy

You have a loaded chamber indicator projecting out of the top of the slide, perfect for snagging your shirt on when you reholster. You have a cheap "cocked striker indicator" which sticks out of the back of the gun, perfect for snagging a cover garment.

What a joke. You called it cheap, too. This is turning into a pissing contest just like GlockTalk because you're upset your precious Glock doesn't have some features of newer guns. I guess the new manual thumb safety available on the XD45 service models is a cheap gimmick, too. The striker indicator isn't sharp, nor does it stick out far enough to snag. See, you cover garment drapes over the, it never touches the indicator unless you're dressing like Fabio with your skin/holster tight shirts. The loaded chamber indicator can't snap on a shirt either. It can't. When you're drawing the gun, the chamber indicator is sticking up at an angle where it's ramped so that it won't snag. That part of the gun is in the holster when carrying so, when you draw your cover garment away from the gun to draw, it won't even touch that indicator. Are you just making this up as you go because you certainly aren't thinking this through? Cheap part huh? Show me how the production process of that part makes it cheap.

Originally Posted by synergy

You say there's a legal problem with pinning a grip safety...this is a moot point. I said I think it's a gimmick, and my gun doesn't have one....your legal retort is of no consequence to my opinion. A 1911 won't take its own thumb safety off, take itself out of the holster, and push it's own trigger either....any lawyer worth his weight could defend you.

OPINION, not experience here. Grip safeties aren't supposed to be pinned. An XD also won't disengage the striker safety on its own either. More double standard. It's ok for the 1911, a gun with a manual external safety, to have a grip safety, but by God if that XD has one, it's a gimmick. We have to use all justifiable means even at the cost of sounding completely ridiculous to knock it down to size.

Originally Posted by synergy

Your also using a current promo to justify the price of the XD mags...lets talk about these guns as they've been on the market for 10 years, not the past 2 months. Someone might decide to buy mags AFTER that promo ends, too...

2 months...that's laughable. The XD has been around in it's current format for years. Even prior to being the XD, the same base version of the gun has been in production for years where it was started in Croatia by HS Produkt. No, it hasn't been around as long as the Glock, but that's ok, every design can be improved upon, even your precision Glock that doesn't use cheap parts and won't ever fail, jam, break, or rust (not going into that one, I'll show you pictures and you'll say they were photochopped).

Have I ever shot the XD? I carried one for a while (out of necessity), and I shoot one almost every week. I've shot each and every model they put out (with the exception of the .357Sig models)...including some that came from the SA custom shop...they still felt like junk to me.

Originally Posted by synergy

So you didn't buy a gun because you weren't comfortable with a different grip angle, yet you advocate learning an entirely new grip angle for an alternate carry gun?

Seriously, either you only read what you want, or you're half way retarded. Did I not say at least 4 times in this thread to get the Glock if it works for you? I specifically said, if you like the Glock and shoot it well, get another one. They're great guns. You're obviously more interested in a pissing contest because you have a limited self esteem that's infringed upon by someone buying or even suggesting that there may be a gun out there that is comparable or even slightly better in some ways than your security blanket, oops, I meant Glock, sorry about that.

Originally Posted by synergy

Also, since you've mentioned that anyone who has more muzzle flip with an XD than with a Glock is shooting the gun wrong...

Actually, that'd probably be you holding the gun wrong. Driving the gun and controlling the recoil as much as possible, all the joints in the arms should be locked including the wrist...if you were doing this, the Glock would line up fine for you. The XD may be more "natural", but it isn't conducive to high-speed gun handling. Add to this the heavier slide slamming back and forth, and the higher bore axis (remember all about levers and fulcrums in physics?) and you have a gun that has noticeably more muzzle flip

That's not true. The way my hand naturally is at my side and when I bring my empty hand up to eye level as if I was holding a handgun is more conducive to the XD fitting better than the Glock. You sir, are apparently drunk on Glock Koolaid and utterly clueless. You seriously can't see past your plastic piece from Austria, can you? So, I guess the smallest fraction of measurable force is perceivable by your pretty little hands? That's great, but the average shooter with any sort of strength, proper stance, and grip will not notice a difference. I'm happy for you the Glock makes your day and makes you feel like a real man. I hope everything goes well for you. The bore axis is slightly higher, but when the average shooter fires them one after the other, a new shooter who isn't accustomed one way or the other, will not notice.

Originally Posted by synergy

Your above statement tells me a lot.

Different sight picture,
different grip angle,
different trigger reach,
different trigger reset distance and feel,
different grip circumference,
different grip texture,
different mag release,
different trigger pull,
different height of the sights over your grip,
different slide release location,
different cocking serration texture,
different mag feel/ texture,
different balance,
different recoil impulse,
different mag well cuts (how you'd rip a stuck mag out)
different loaded chamber indicators and cocked indicators (as you indicated this being such a neat selling point on the XD)

....but hell, what do all those little details matter on the gun your trusting your life with? Why not just wing it!

You are an idiot. You do read what you want. Once, I thought maybe you made a mistake. But apparently you're self proclaimed to be perfect and it wasn't a mistake. I'll repeat for the last time, as I've already said in this post and previous posts: If the Glock works for you and you like it, you already have one, get another one. Is that alright? Can you understand that, cupcake?

[quote=synergy;197830]No, I did...that's how you also should holster a gun...Glocks are not the only gun that will fire when you shove the trigger into something. So will any gun without a manual safety, or a safety which is not engaged.[quote=synergy;197830]

Nope, not true. The XD won't fire if you just jam on the trigger if that grip safety isn't depress. So, when reholstering with your thumb on the back of the slide, that grip safety isn't depressed and it doesn't matter what's in the trigger guard...it ain't firing. It's safer my friend, just let it go. Go take a blood pressure pill and have a glass of warm milk. Relax.

Originally Posted by synergy

Most of what you've read....huh. Did you read about the NJ State Police repeatably shooing themselves with their P7M8's...you want to talk about having a "grip safety"?! How about how most holstering AD's are from the shooter leaving their finger in the trigger guard when they go to reholster.....guess where the web of their hand is?

Exactly why I said operator error and when you reholster, you put your thumb on the back of the slide allowing the grip safety to do its job.

Originally Posted by synergy

That's how the trigger functions....email Gaston and ask him. Neither gun will restrike a cartridge...take that for what it's worth. Your the one who brought this up as a selling point...now you want to argue about the Glock doing the same thing will fewer parts? Why?

So, by not correcting me, you're actually admitting you were wrong about the cocked striker indicator? Also admitting that you're making stuff up as you go perhaps hoping to pray on the young, impressionable, uneducated minds about these two firearms? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Originally Posted by synergy

Someone who's doing that is wrong, but that's another conversation.

It's not wrong. This statement tells me a lot about you. You are of the opinion on apparently everything that it's your way or the highway. How you do it is right. Your gun is right and the best and everyone else is wrong and carries a piece of sh!t. This is what you're telling me with all your posts, all of which you're making up on the fly with fictional information in your fantasy land, or is it your Counter Strike land where you play online?

Originally Posted by synergy

How do you know which way a broken spring may be binding up in the gun? I guess inertia and centripetal force don't count either, just gravity.

Did you just look those words up at Webster.com? Gravity is simple my friend. It pulls towards earth. If the gun is being held the way it was intended, gravity will pull that little itty bitty piece of metal capable of blocking the striker right into the strikers path. What does centripetal force have to do with this? Are you trying to shoot while on a merry go round in a counter clockwise direction while holding the gun sideways like a gangster? In that case, yeah, a broken spring would allow the gun to fire if you also experienced a failure from the sear you f-ed up trying to do your own trigger job. I'll give you that one scenario, but the gun has to be in your hand, sideways, on the merry go round going counter clockwise.

Originally Posted by synergy

Don't have to, I've seen it with my own eyes (cocked indicator), and there are pics floating around on the net....

IF it's so easy as you claim, show me. I don't really believe anything you say after making stuff up about parts Glocks don't have.

Originally Posted by synergy

Rack the gun with one wet hand, off of your belt or something, to clear out a dud round. Now do it with a compromised grip (advantage glock, though a slight one at that.)

If you kneel, you should be behind cover when reloading or clearing a malfunction, you can squeeze the slide between your calf and your hamstring in the knee joint and do the same thing. Advantage, "thought a slight one" vanquished. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Originally Posted by synergy

For all intensive purposes it does. The good news is they don't need to wait for the parts to come in from Croatia to fix them, though. Everything but the slide, frame, and factory barrel for the Glock can be bought online at any of a number of stores, and the parts are VERY easy to replace (except the striker channel liner)...can you say the same for the XD?

See, Springfield Armory handles the XDs for the US...they have the parts and have a lifetime warranty so I don't even have to buy those parts online. Springfield stands behind their product. Barrels, trigger bars, sights, roll pins, springs, sears, guide rods, all available online for consumer consumption. Sorry, the Glock doesn't own the world any more when it comes to polymer framed firearms. They're great guns, but there are other good choices out there that have different features that someone might like over the Glock who doesn't use them. Again, it's a personal preference thing.

Don't Glock parts come from Austria? And if you even say anything about Austria being closer to the US than Croatia and that makes the Glock better, well, just for your sake, don't do that.

Originally Posted by synergy

So we're using marketing info now....great...that's objective.

If your pressing the trigger hard enough to break plastic, I'd say you have some pretty bad shooting habbits.

Funny how you see more magazine problems with the XD's than you do with the Glocks....

The trigger didn't break from pulling on it too hard, it broke because of the case failure due to the unsupported chamber.

Originally Posted by itstock

WHAT??!?!? You mean that the XD doesn't KABOOM with improper ammo???? Don't tell that to this guy.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49898

It happens far more often with Glocks than XDs. It also happens far more often with the Glock models in .40 s&w with factory ammo.

Guess what, read that entire forum...it's the only example. The case also failed where it necks down for the rim, not straight out the side of the base where the brass is the thickest because, as you seen in the picture, the entire chamber is supported save that spot where the extractor grabs the rim.

Originally Posted by synergy

This has nothing to do with Glock "kool aid" it has to do with thinking for yourself and making an informed choice. You're welcome to choose the "gun of the year" for your carry purposes...I'll make up my own mind.

Finally, some rational thought that everyone should in fact choose for themselves which gun they want. Make an educated decision. Educate yourself about the Glock (cocked striker indicator) and about the XD if you're going to bash it. If you do bash another product, bash it with credible information that you're not making up as you go (cheap parts that break because they're weak or thin). You haven't proved that and the more you keep saying it, the more ridiculous you look. The difference between you and me is, I'm being rational here. I'm acting like an adult talking about guns, a big boy subject. I'm recommending that the poster try all guns he's interested in and pick the one that works best for him. I'm not cruising around for the sole purpose of pushing the XD down a person's throat. I'm post all of this to defend it against your unfounded and incorrect criticism. If people would give good advice to just go try them out and pick the one you like because you're shooting, not nameless anonymous people on an internet forum, we wouldn't deal with this. Your Glock, your actual Glock, is a great gun. It works for you, it's reliable, and you claim to be safe with it. That's all one can ask for...a gun he/she likes, shoots well, is durable and going to last, and is safe with. If we can just move along here, can we stop this? I'm ok with you having the opinion that the XD isn't any better than a Glock. I don't think one is better than the other. I think the XD has some great features and we all know Glocks are proven to be able to take a beating and keep on going. Both guns are great. When I started shopping for a a semi auto, I started with Glocks because of their reputation. I put the XD in my hand next to it, and it just fit. I also liked the XD45 compact, a model that Glock doesn't really have to compete with. The .45 acp models Glock does have just didn't feel good in my hand. I frequently see the description that the .45 auto Glocks feel like you're holding a 2x4...I read that after I bought my XD, so there isn't any bias there.



So, can we just agree that we both like our guns? Can you understand this isn't a war or an issue you have to pick sides about? Lots of people own XDs and Glocks. Some even own M+P models too. And there are those who are completely crazy who own all three brands plus 1911s and revolvers. Can we both agree that both guns are great guns, durable, reliable, and will take a beating? Can we agree that choosing either brand doesn't slight either one of us? Can we agree that a person who buys the gun that fits and works best for him/her is the most important issue, not brand name?

If so, I'd be glad to continue having conversation with you. If not, well, there's a reason why forums have an IGNORE option.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by BradC

Guys, you are both reaching for things to talk shit on the other platform.

The "cocked indicator" snagging? Give me a break. It is a very rounded protrusion that protrudes very minimally. If you can snag that on something...

I have an XD. Is it perfect? No. Was it the best choice for me? Yes.

Most of my friends are Glock shooters. Are they perfect? No. Do they like them? Yes.

Leave it at that.

To the OP, buy whatever you feel most comfortable shooting with and is affordable to you.

Either the Glock or XD is a fine carry weapon.

Thank you. This is what I've been trying to say from day one on this thread. Buy what works best for you. I was attempting to correct wrong information.

One complaint I have about the XD is the slide stop lever. The way I grip a 1911, when applied to the XD, puts my thumb right on the lever and when I first started shooting it, because I was on that lever, the slide wouldn't lock back on an empty mag....operator error. Just had to make a slight adjustment.

[BerksCountyDave]

Wow this thread got hostile! I figured out that my finances were in better shape than I thought so I ordered two of the guns on the list.

I ordered the XD 9 sub-compact in OD green and a Para Carry 9.

Should have them both next week.

Dave

[synergy]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

Regardless, I don't experience uncontrollable muzzle flip, maybe you should work on your grip...we're talking about a 9mm here, not a .50 AE.

Restating the caliber doesn't mean its not an issue. The Glock does a better job here, and you won't admit it...yet I'm the "kool aid drinker".

Again, we're talking millimeters here and it's more than likely not even perceivable.

actually it's blatantly obvious when you set the guns side by side.


That's your opinion and your choice. The holster fully supports both guns and conceals well. Holsters are a personal choice. I don't carry in that holster often, but it was a quick fix until a holster made for my XD arrived. Moving on.

What a joke. You called it cheap, too. This is turning into a pissing contest just like GlockTalk because you're upset your precious Glock doesn't have some features of newer guns.

Upset? Nope, the design is superior, IMO. The Glock has ALL of the same features except the grip safety, and we know what I think about those....except the glock does it with fewer parts. You refuse to admit that this is an advantage for the Glock

That part of the gun is in the holster when carrying so, when you draw your cover garment away from the gun to draw, it won't even touch that indicator. Are you just making this up as you go because you certainly aren't thinking this through? Cheap part huh? Show me how the production process of that part makes it cheap.

I've seen it snag on shirts when people are reholstering it, it's "cheap" because I've seen them break too easily before.

2 months...that's laughable. The XD has been around in it's current format for years. Even prior to being the XD, the same base version of the gun has been in production for years where it was started in Croatia by HS Produkt. No, it hasn't been around as long as the Glock, but that's ok, every design can be improved upon, even your precision Glock that doesn't use cheap parts and won't ever fail, jam, break, or rust (not going into that one, I'll show you pictures and you'll say they were photochopped).

If you weren't so busy trying to find something to read into, you'd realize that what I said was about the MAGAZINE PRICES. And I said 10 years, being the amount of time BOTH GUNS have been on the market.

Seriously, either you only read what you want, or you're half way retarded. Did I not say at least 4 times in this thread to get the Glock if it works for you? I specifically said, if you like the Glock and shoot it well, get another one. They're great guns. You're obviously more interested in a pissing contest because you have a limited self esteem that's infringed upon by someone buying or even suggesting that there may be a gun out there that is comparable or even slightly better in some ways than your security blanket, oops, I meant Glock, sorry about that.

Yep, I firmly believe that God kills a kitten every time someone doesn't buy a Glock....

That's not true. The way my hand naturally is at my side and when I bring my empty hand up to eye level as if I was holding a handgun is more conducive to the XD fitting better than the Glock. You sir, are apparently drunk on Glock Koolaid and utterly clueless. You seriously can't see past your plastic piece from Austria, can you? So, I guess the smallest fraction of measurable force is perceivable by your pretty little hands? That's great, but the average shooter with any sort of strength, proper stance, and grip will not notice a difference. I'm happy for you the Glock makes your day and makes you feel like a real man. I hope everything goes well for you. The bore axis is slightly higher, but when the average shooter fires them one after the other, a new shooter who isn't accustomed one way or the other, will not notice.

Fantastic logic!!! A new shooter who doesn't know better won't care, so it doesn't matter. Ya know, some people want a fighting pistol to work for them, not against them...btw.

[quote=synergy;197830]No, I did...that's how you also should holster a gun...Glocks are not the only gun that will fire when you shove the trigger into something. So will any gun without a manual safety, or a safety which is not engaged.[quote=synergy;197830]

Nope, not true. The XD won't fire if you just jam on the trigger if that grip safety isn't depress. So, when reholstering with your thumb on the back of the slide, that grip safety isn't depressed and it doesn't matter what's in the trigger guard...it ain't firing. It's safer my friend, just let it go.

Nice, you're indicating that your relying on a mechanical safety, rather that safe gun handling.

So, by not correcting me, you're actually admitting you were wrong about the cocked striker indicator? Also admitting that you're making stuff up as you go perhaps hoping to pray on the young, impressionable, uneducated minds about these two firearms? You should be ashamed of yourself.

I didn't engineer the gun dude. It has the same feature with less moving parts....what more would you like me to explain?

IF it's so easy as you claim, show me. I don't really believe anything you say after making stuff up about parts Glocks don't have.

What have I made up, that a Glock doesn't have.? You're arguing about stuff you don't know, now.

The trigger didn't break from pulling on it too hard, it broke because of the case failure due to the unsupported chamber.

So your all upset because when your $500 gun blew up you couldn't re-use the $5 trigger bar?

Finally, some rational thought that everyone should in fact choose for themselves which gun they want. Make an educated decision. Educate yourself about the Glock (cocked striker indicator) and about the XD if you're going to bash it. If you do bash another product, bash it with credible information that you're not making up as you go (cheap parts that break because they're weak or thin). You haven't proved that and the more you keep saying it, the more ridiculous you look. The difference between you and me is, I'm being rational here. I'm acting like an adult talking about guns, a big boy subject. I'm recommending that the poster try all guns he's interested in and pick the one that works best for him. I'm not cruising around for the sole purpose of pushing the XD down a person's throat. I'm post all of this to defend it against your unfounded and incorrect criticism. If people would give good advice to just go try them out and pick the one you like because you're shooting, not nameless anonymous people on an internet forum, we wouldn't deal with this. Your Glock, your actual Glock, is a great gun. It works for you, it's reliable, and you claim to be safe with it. That's all one can ask for...a gun he/she likes, shoots well, is durable and going to last, and is safe with. If we can just move along here, can we stop this? I'm ok with you having the opinion that the XD isn't any better than a Glock. I don't think one is better than the other. I think the XD has some great features and we all know Glocks are proven to be able to take a beating and keep on going. Both guns are great. When I started shopping for a a semi auto, I started with Glocks because of their reputation. I put the XD in my hand next to it, and it just fit. I also liked the XD45 compact, a model that Glock doesn't really have to compete with. The .45 acp models Glock does have just didn't feel good in my hand. I frequently see the description that the .45 auto Glocks feel like you're holding a 2x4...I read that after I bought my XD, so there isn't any bias there.

So, can we just agree that we both like our guns? Can you understand this isn't a war or an issue you have to pick sides about? Lots of people own XDs and Glocks. Some even own M+P models too. And there are those who are completely crazy who own all three brands plus 1911s and revolvers. Can we both agree that both guns are great guns, durable, reliable, and will take a beating? Can we agree that choosing either brand doesn't slight either one of us? Can we agree that a person who buys the gun that fits and works best for him/her is the most important issue, not brand name?

If so, I'd be glad to continue having conversation with you. If not, well, there's a reason why forums have an IGNORE option.

I don't own stock in Glock, I provided reason why the shooter would benefit from sticking with one. You're trying to argue that the XD is the Glocks equal, and that just isn't true.

I'll respond to some of the other stuff when I have time.

[ChamberedRound]

BerksCountyDave,
My apologies for what has happened to your thread.

synergy, jtkratzer
The OP wanted advice, not a tired, played out "Which is better, Glock or <insert weapon here>?" argument. Knock off the trolling, childish crap, and do it NOW, or you'll both find yourselves with a timeout. Consider this fair warning.