anything smaller than kel tec p3at?

[doug]

Originally Posted by rspowers

Are there any semi's smaller (size wise) than the kel tec p3at?

The Kel-Tec P32 is smaller (barely)...

Kel Tec P3AT specs

Calibers : .380 AUTO
Weight unloaded lbs. : 8.3 oz.
Loaded magazine : 2.8 oz.
Length : 5.2"
Height : 3.5"
Width : .77"
Sight radius : 3.8"
Muzzle Energy Max : 250 ft lbs
Capacity : 6 + 1 rounds
Trigger Pull : 5lbs

Kel Tec P32 specs

Calibers : .32 AUTO
Weight unloaded lbs. : 6.6 oz. 186g
Loaded magazine : 2.8 oz. 81g
Length : 5.1" 129mm
Height : 3.5" 89mm
Width : .75" 19mm
Barrel Length : 2.7" 68mm
Sight radius : 3.8" 96mm
Muzzle Energy Max : 200 ft lbs 240J
Capacity : 7 + 1 rounds
Trigger Pull : 5lbs 23N

[pred]

A seecamp 380 is a rare bird, A 32 will be aneasy find, But those two options are much heavier than the Keltec!
I will carry a LWT colt commander which is bigger than the colt officers, Buy weighs less,,
The P3AT is the smallest caliper would trust my life with!
.25-----weakest
.22 lr---- better
.22 magnum------better
.32 about the same
.380 reasonable self protection
357 magnum/45 cal, what prefer when clothes allow
Stay safe!

[cigarman]

Originally Posted by rspowers

yea, i dont plan on shooting it often. probably just a few mags everytime i am at the range to make sure its functioning and learn how it feels. I just figure a .22 would have less recoil, be easier to handle, and plus the cheaper ammo

I am looking for the chrome because I will most likely be carrying it in the late spring/summer. I have a summer home along the VA shore area where I live from May-August, and its really humid with salty air, so I wanted the most rust resistant finish I can get on it. I keep seeing the gun in blue and/or parkerized but never chrome.

I have both the P-3AT and the P-32 as well as Kahr PM9 and MK9 and both the .22 and 22 mag NAA mini-revolvers. All are OK but none of them are for target practice or to put lots of rounds through. Closest are the Kahrs, but even they are hard on the hand for most people.

Basically, none of these is made for either target shooting or plinking and the smaller the pistol caliber the lower the stopping power; essentially the .380 is considered minimal size for self-defense, I only have the others when there is no other option for concealment.

You could likely put five or so .22 bullets in most people and it wouldn't stop them unless you were very lucky with shot placement and studies show that even police trained in pistol handling who hit vital areas the majority of the time at the range hit their target less than 20% of the time when in a combat situation. Those of us who just practice periodically probably need a close target and an effective round more than the police do.


BTW, how are you going to get a concealed permit for VA anyhow? Is there something I don't know about?

[rspowers]

cigarman - I am not getting a permit for VA. PA has reciprocity with them, so I can use my PA Permit in VA.

[cigarman]

Sorry, I am brain-dead tonite. When you said that you stayed in VA for extended times each year I wondered if they extended their resident permits to property owners.

I have not been paying attention to the reciprocity maps for a while.

[rspowers]

check out this site with all the info: http://www.handgunlaw.us/