Home defense

[Michele]

Thank you, Tony!

I've got allot to research and think about! And what a great linky!

[thanker92]

ROZYREDTOES:
I quote you: (spelung be yerz)
"I never said their was a reward for turning in someone who legaly owns a full auto"
"...as thier is a substancial reward for any one who would turn you in."

Methinks thou speaketh with forked tongue...

Back to the thread....

The most common error I hear is people thinking they don't have to aim a shotty because of the shot spread. I was very surprised the first time that I fired 00 buck from 10 feet.

[TonyF]

Originally Posted by Michele

I've got allot to research and think about! And what a great linky!

If it's research you're interested in, then research is what you shall have and a word about AR15's is in order.

The AR15 has what is referred to as an "in line" stock meaning it is "in line" with the bore axis (e.g. no drop at comb or heel). That is why it's iron sights are placed so high above the boreline, so that the shooter can get a good cheekweld.

This is also why with the advent of the flat top receiver, the optics are basically on the same plane as the iron sights and therefore, in most cases can "cowitness" with each other. IOW the iron sights and optic are on the same plane and the same cheekweld can be used for both.

The only caveat is whether one is utilizing appropriate mounts and rings for the optic. IOW, a flat top receiver notwithstanding, one can still screw up the cheekweld issue if one chooses mounts and rings that are "too tall".

So why was the AR15 designed with an "in line" stock? Because the stock contains the buffer assembly and thus it needed to be "in line" with the BCG of which the bolt is obviously "in line" with the boreline. IOW it was purpose built without any drop at heel or comb so they had no choice but to raise the sightline.

With regard to the knoxx stock, I'd suggest trying to find a picture of an SG with the knoxx attached in full view to get an idea of its drop at heel and comb. That will help you determine if it is optimized for iron sights or an optic.

"Knoxx stock" .......... betcha can't say that three times fast.

[LowCapacity]

Rozy, if you're gonna troll at least multi-quote so you have fewer posts so its easier to read. They frown upon the way you're building up your post count.

[Emptymag]

Originally Posted by ROZYREDTOES

I don't understand your first comment. The judge at about 10 feet has between a 4 to 6 ft spread with # 4 buck. That is why we got it we know we will most likely not have any warning or a chance to aim. The 000 has a lot less spead and the last one out has no spread, the .45 long.

ROZYREDTOES,
I'd like to see more of this sort of post and less of the stuff you posted previously in this thread.

Discuss, debate, ask questions... but don't revert to the garbage that I read earlier in this thread. It reeks of all that is wrong with so many internet forums - nothing but childish, one-liners and insults.

If that is the only way you intend on contributing, your visit here at pafoa will be a short one. If you wish to participate in a civil manner, you are welcome to stay as long as you wish.

Thank you.

[thanker92]

A 6 FOOT spread at 10 feet??? Do you really think anyone believes that?

[MuzzleFlash]

Originally Posted by thanker92

A 6 FOOT spread at 10 feet??? Do you really think anyone believes that?

Here's a little more accurate information.

"The target below illustrates how quickly the .410 loads scatter when fired from the Judge. The load used here is Winchester number 4's and the pattern on the head of the silhouette target was fired at five feet and the pattern to the body was fired at ten feet."



http://handgundata.blogspot.com/

[thanker92]

Thank you..
And you'll notice that it's no where near a 6 foot spread.

[1911shooter]

Originally Posted by thanker92

Thank you..
And you'll notice that it's no where near a 6 foot spread.

Thats not even 3 foot by golly,
The judge is a gimmick at best and could in no way be considered as a viable selfdefense gun, for anything more then contact distance.

[thanker92]

What about shot size?
I read recently that #1 buck was supposed to be the best size for balance of penetration and safety.
( Hope this isn't considered a hi-jack )