"No one want's to cater to people who carry Guns"

[Glock17]

Read this, it's about quarter-way down.
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news.../12231336.html

Penn and the city have been trying to negotiate security improvements with the owners of Koko Bongo, but the university is wary of such establishments' bumping up against its campus.

"If you cater to people who carry guns, I don't know of any institution that wants that," said Maureen Rush, Penn's vice president for public safety.

This is part of a larger problem. Philly really does have a problem with gun violence. As usual, it's the big city that is going to ruin it for everyone else. I think the problem is a lifetime of policies that promote helplessness and apathy. If people think that selling drugs and gangs are their only way out then it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Sad. It's to the point that I'm frightened myself to go into Philly.

[Jelanen]

Originally Posted by Glock17

Sad. It's to the point that I'm frightened myself to go into Philly.

Well, then you're being completely irrational. These shootings are almost never random shootings, they are almost always between people that know each other and are involved in the drug trade. I can't speak to the club scene or whatever as I'm a non-drinker, but you should have any issues hitting the cultural hotspots (other than some have metal detectors) during normal business hours.

Now if you're in University City or up in North Philly at night and looking to score....you're on your own.

[Weights]

Does anyone want to cater to a criminal who's job is made easier by making the good people defenseless, because that is exactly what happens when this line of thinking is used to make decisions. This is why I feel it is very important for everyone who believes in the 2nd amendment and the right to self-protection to refute these arguments and point out the flaws with the other one. I challenge anyone who is against CCW to tell this to a victim who's life was saved only because he used a gun in defense, or to a woman on a college campus who was raped and could do nothing to stop the attack. I'll bet they wouldn't even dare, because they are too wrapped up in their flawed thinking and tired arguments which do not work when applied in the real world. All these shooting sprees you heard about lately, Virginia Tech, Columbine, the Utah Mall, the Nebraska mall, the Cleveland school shooting, all of them have been in gun-free zones, so that should make the rest of the people think what happens should there be an attack in a declared gun-free zone. That is why I feel people who are licensed should be allowed to carry everywhere, so long as they are not under the influence of any substance that might impair their ability to think rationally. I feel that the problem is not with guns, but with creating gun free zones, poverty, gangs, and more criminals catching a break from the law. What will it take for people to finally realize this?

[Glock17]

Originally Posted by Weights

All these shooting sprees you heard about lately, Virginia Tech, Columbine, the Utah Mall, the Nebraska mall, the Cleveland school shooting, all of them have been in gun-free zones, so that should make the rest of the people think what happens should there be an attack in a declared gun-free zone.

Was the mall a gun free zone? IF so that sucks.

Someone else mentioned having to put up with metal detectors. What happens if you are carrying in Philly, and say, want to visit the Liberty Bell. They have metal detectors. Do they have a place to check you firearm?

[danp]

Originally Posted by Glock17

Sad. It's to the point that I'm frightened myself to go into Philly.

Philly is quite safe as long as you do not run in certain circles. Avoid the drug trade and the clubs that cater to those in the drug trade and you'll never even see a crime here.

I've lived here for 7 years now and the worst crime I've witnessed was a guy walk out of a bar with a purse.

[Chazman321]

Originally Posted by danp

Philly is quite safe as long as you do not run in certain circles. Avoid the drug trade and the clubs that cater to those in the drug trade and you'll never even see a crime here.

I've lived here for 7 years now and the worst crime I've witnessed was a guy walk out of a bar with a purse.

Inwhich he prompty stomped a hole in the guy while screaming "I AM THE POOFA GOD! BOW DOWN TO ME!" and we did... lol


Chazlongdayalreadyman321

[Rule10b5]

Originally Posted by danp

Philly is quite safe as long as you do not run in certain circles. Avoid the drug trade and the clubs that cater to those in the drug trade and you'll never even see a crime here.

I've lived here for 7 years now and the worst crime I've witnessed was a guy walk out of a bar with a purse.

You're luckier than me in that respect, I suppose. I've posted about it before, but I had a guy try to carjack me near Temple a few years back.

And then I moved to Ardmore, where, within a year, a guy got his brains blown out all over my sidewalk in a gun deal gone bad. Less than 1/4 mile from the Lower Merion PD.

But, yeah, I suppose for the most part Philly really isn't that bad -- in center/old city, at least. It's really a pity, though, about West and South Philly.

[Glock17]

I guess I should repost what I said. The reports scare people away. Philly is pretty safe, but according to the news it's a den of murder and guns. I myself go to Philly and wander around center city all the way down to penns landing after midnight and feel safe.

[Jelanen]

Originally Posted by Glock17

Someone else mentioned having to put up with metal detectors. What happens if you are carrying in Philly, and say, want to visit the Liberty Bell. They have metal detectors. Do they have a place to check you firearm?

Yeah, liberty bell has metal detectors and no, I don't recall seeing a place to check your firearm. Was a couple years ago though.. Don't think the Mint had check stations either, but I wasn't carrying at the time and wasn't paying attention.

[Philadelphia]

Originally Posted by Glock17

I guess I should repost what I said. The reports scare people away. Philly is pretty safe, but according to the news it's a den of murder and guns. I myself go to Philly and wander around center city all the way down to penns landing after midnight and feel safe.

You are exactly right.

I live here, all day and night, every day and night.

I'm still alive, no wound scars, same wallet in my pocket I've had for years and years, etc. Some jiggy stuff now and then but I've always managed to avoid bad trouble.

Bad stuff happens in the good neighborhoods here, but it's not a whole lot different from the burbs.

Really.

People who are afraid of philly should go to dinner in center city and walk around a little. You won't be swallowed up by gangs of demons the instant you cross the county line.

Now north philly, southwest, west (past Penn) . . . don't go there if you don't have to.

Center city and its surrounds, A OK.