Hassled at the polls for OCing

[XD45]

Originally Posted by DaveM55

I never said it was illegal.

I said the Sheriff does not understand Pa law.

How can you expect this Sheriff to understand Fl law?

My personal opinion is this costing Gnbrotz enough trouble and money, there's no need to push the issue with the Sheriff by obtaining a CCW from out of state. If I were in Gnbrotz's situation I wouldn't carry at all until this issue was settled. I think that's the smart thing to do.

how would the sheriff even know he has an out of state permit, and reciprocity is in PA law also. I'm not so sure if they'd give him an out of state while he's going threw the appeals as i'm sure it will pop up as an active court case. but if you worry about police who don't understand the law then carrying probably isnt for you as i'd bet 90% of police dont know the carry laws to the full extent.

hell he should OC outside of the sheriffs office, can't live your life scared of a man with a badge.

[Nate]

Originally Posted by DaveM55

OK let me elaborate then...worse advice I've seen given to Gnbrotz.

He's got enough legal problems for doing something we know is legal.

This Sheriff has already demonstrated he does not understand Pa Law, how can you expect him to understand Fl Law?

How can anyone think going out of state for a CCW is going to help Gnbrotz's legal position???

Go ask a lawyer if this is good advice, doubt any will agree.

Giving an idea to allow a ccw to protect himself and his family while working things out with his home state isn't stupid. I didn't tell him to do anything blindly without considering the repercussions.

Rather than bashing ideas why don't you try doing something that might help??? or is that bad advice too?

[Nate]

Originally Posted by DaveM55

...If I were in Gnbrotz's situation I wouldn't carry at all until this issue was settled. I think that's the smart thing to do.

Yeah telling Gnbrotz to surrender his rights is the best advice i heard given to Gnbrotz

[DaveM55]

Originally Posted by XD45

hell he should OC outside of the sheriffs office, can't live your life scared of a man with a badge.

You're right, that's real good legal advice! I'm sure that's exactly what his lawyer is telling him right now.

[DaveM55]

Originally Posted by Nate

Giving an idea to allow a ccw to protect himself and his family while working things out with his home state isn't stupid. I didn't tell him to do anything blindly without considering the repercussions.

Rather than bashing ideas why don't you try doing something that might help??? or is that bad advice too?

My advice to Gnbrotz is to not listen to you. Now that's great advice!

Good night all.

See you in the morning.

[Nate]

Originally Posted by DaveM55

My advice to Gnbrotz is to not listen to you. Now that's great advice!

Good night all.

See you in the morning.

I do not wish to continue dialog with you on this topic (mostly cause i don't want this thread closed). Have a good night sir

[XD45]

Originally Posted by DaveM55

You're right, that's real good legal advice! I'm sure that's exactly what his lawyer is telling him right now.

Is it the best idea in the world? No. But what i'm trying to say is what are they gonna do to him for it? he's broken no laws, and there is more than one way to legally carry. And since he still meets the requirements to other ways of carry why should he deny himself that right because it might not look good to a someone? just shows how one asshole can't deny you your rights.


and i'm not giving any legal advice to anyone i'm giving my opinion on what i'd do, as I think everyone else did. everyone carries differently and feels different about it you can't go by what other people say, only what your comfortable with.

[Nate]

Originally Posted by XD45

Is it the best idea in the world? No. But what i'm trying to say is what are they gonna do to him for it? he's broken no laws, and there is more than one way to legally carry. And since he still meets the requirements to other ways of carry why should he deny himself that right because it might not look good to a someone? just shows how one asshole can't deny you your rights.


and i'm not giving any legal advice to anyone i'm giving my opinion on what i'd do, as I think everyone else did. everyone carries differently and feels different about it you can't go by what other people say, only what your comfortable with.

Same here, I am NOT giving legal advice nor am I telling anyone to blindly do anything, I'm merely pointing out options.

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by DaveM55

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This Sheriff has already demonstrated he does not understand Pa Law, how can you expect him to understand Fl Law?

Actually, I think the sheriff understands PA law quite well, and as this goes further, some of you may realize that. The problem is the particular section that Gnbrotz's license was revoked under is both broad and vague. A ruling in Greg's favor will not change whether or not this happens to someone in the future...I'm willing to bet on that. The best we can realistically hope for is that one of our brethren gets his permit back at this point...though I'm with everyone else on dreaming of a concrete ruling striking down this kind of behavior from our sheriffs; I just don't see it happening. There's a difference between how the law should work and how it works for people without a trust fund and a six or seven figure bank account.

Having said that, his lawyer can advise him on the non-resident permit issue, it may actually hurt his case, even though it's perfectly legal and it really shouldn't matter.

[The Drew]

What I would like to know, when this goes to hearing, is how is the sherriff going to defend his actions, when confronted with the fact that carrying to the polls by a civillian isn't illegal, and that (i'm sure the poll workers will be subpeonaed) the testimony of the poll workers that he didn't threaten anyone nor did he draw his weapon in a threatening manner...

Clearly the constable who started all this mess needs to be prosecuted. The sherriff may also need some discipline, and most likely a reeducation...