<![CDATA[Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association Discussion Forum - Concealed & Open Carry]]> http://forum.pafoa.org Discuss all aspects of carrying firearms here. en Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:34:39 GMT vBulletin 60 http://forum.pafoa.org/images/misc/rss.jpg <![CDATA[Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association Discussion Forum - Concealed & Open Carry]]> http://forum.pafoa.org 2011 LTCF system http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110613-2011-ltcf-system.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:57:09 GMT Not sure if this question has been answered: When PA finishes the conversion to the new system...and everybody..including non-residents...is... Not sure if this question has been answered:

When PA finishes the conversion to the new system...and everybody..including non-residents...is required to apply in person...will the sheriffs that do not currently allow non-resident applicants, be forced to start following the law? ]]> mrjam2jab http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110613-2011-ltcf-system.html Is this a preemption violation? http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110590-preemption-violation.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 03:48:31 GMT See the pic below. I was out for a bike ride a couple of weeks ago and came across this sign. Image:... See the pic below. I was out for a bike ride a couple of weeks ago and came across this sign.

]]> ViperGTS19801 http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110590-preemption-violation.html Excellent educational opportunity today http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110453-excellent-educational-opportunity-today.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:44:49 GMT I stopped in at a new customer's shop today, to do some programming changes, and since one of the things he does is sell firearms, I brought a bunch of the high quality flyers with me to see if he would leave them out. Some friends of the owner were there, making a purchase, and I offered the husband a flyer. We wound up chatting, well him asking me questions and me answering them, for about a half hour or so. He, and his lovely wife, were amazed that people could actually open carry(although they didn't think they would be engaging in the practice). We touched on transporting, reciprocity, what a LTCF actually allows you to do, among a few other topics. The most surprising thing for me was that for whatever reason, he was under the impression that D.C. was somehow gun friendly. I'm glad we got the chance to talk, as that alone could have been a disaster for him. They thanked me for the information and they left more informed firearm owners.

Hopefully, we will have a couple of new members here, and they will find what they need to get any other questions they may have, answered. ]]> headcase http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110453-excellent-educational-opportunity-today.html IWB Holster Choice http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110445-iwb-holster-choice.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 01:51:36 GMT Curious about other thoughts.....I currently carry IWb between the 4-5O'Clock postion. Over the course of carrying a couple of months I have built a collection of 4 holsters all right handed. Does anybody who carries at 4-5 O'Clock use a left handed holster? It has recently dawned on me that I would probably have an easier time drawing.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. ]]> http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110445-iwb-holster-choice.html Transport in Delaware... http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110441-transport-delaware.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 01:46:10 GMT I have to take a piece of equipment to Delaware next Monday (Labor Day). Drop-off is about 1/2 mile off DE Rt 1 around Milford at an undeveloped... I have to take a piece of equipment to Delaware next Monday (Labor Day). Drop-off is about 1/2 mile off DE Rt 1 around Milford at an undeveloped subdivision in a rural area (nobody around usually). I doubt I would be making any other stops along the way in DE. So having to Open Carry in public shouldn't be an issue (not that I think it would be a problem) From what I've found I would be OK to leave my firearm loaded in its holster on the passenger seat of the truck in plain view correct? I don't have a FL or UT permit (yet), just PA and MD. I've been searching but the search sucks and I just want to make sure. Am I missing something or am I good to go? Thanks. ]]> bighornjd http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110441-transport-delaware.html York Police Department Says Promoting Second Amendment is Promoting Violence http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110412-york-police-department-says-promoting-second-amendment-promoting-violence.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:57:46 GMT York second amendment activist Steven Young, known here as Computer Steve, was recently accused by YCPD of using the York City Police Department's Facebook page to promote violence. His original post was deleted by the YCPD, but not before it was captured and saved by him in anticipation of the purge. (See link below)

His dastardly act? Using freedom of speech to advocate for responsible gun ownership and self preservation. That's right, he openly displayed his reverence for the second amendment, and attempted to inspire others to the same.

Since when is promoting the second amendment and gun ownership akin to inciting violence? Perhaps he should have heeded, for we've been warned many times over, such brazen open display of radical ideals is going to ruin it for all of us!


See the link below, and judge for yourselves, was he inciting violence, or was he merely advocating for lawful, protected activity?


http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...8152687&ref=mf ]]> Shomari http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110412-york-police-department-says-promoting-second-amendment-promoting-violence.html Philly Cops Stike Again! http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110385-philly-cops-stike-again.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:10:13 GMT After reading this it will make you feel alot more comfortable carrying in the city!!:rolleyes: ... After reading this it will make you feel alot more comfortable carrying in the city!!:rolleyes:



http://www.philly.com/dailynews/top_...cmpid=15585797 ]]> Motown http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110385-philly-cops-stike-again.html Teaching Others http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110350-teaching-others.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 03:29:41 GMT So, I'm now the subject matter expert, I'm presented with the challenge of teaching some folks in my family the "art" of firearms carry. This is going to supplement some basic pistol classes.

I'm looking for suggestion of what I should discuss.

~Dressing to conceal
~Holster choice / retention
~Ammo/Mags/Spare Mags
~What If?
-Stopped by Police
-Involved in an incident
~What Else?

I've picked up a variety of knowledge and opinions over the 4+ years I've been carrying (some conflicting:) ). My goal, I guess, would be to have a sticky thread for advice aimed towards new shooters.

Thoughts? ]]> yelruh55 http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110350-teaching-others.html Ross Township Community Day - problem http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110299-ross-township-community-day-problem.html Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:34:46 GMT http://www.rosstwp.com/Download/ross_park_rules.doc This is also copied in the newsletter sent to my home.

Specifically item 11:
"11. Hunting , weapons, firearms, air guns or explosive devices are prohibited."

Is this simply a case of they don't know the law or can they do this? ]]> 2xShooter http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110299-ross-township-community-day-problem.html Questions on having a gun confiscated. http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110153-questions-having-gun-confiscated.html Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:38:11 GMT I've heard this same story from more than one individual and it goes something like this ... Individual is pulled over for a traffic stop. During the interaction, the police discover that the individual is legally carrying a firearm and decided to run the gun to make sure that it is registered to the individual. As we all know, there is no gun registration in PA. They refer to it as a list of sales transactions, or something like that, and have acknowledged that it is incomplete. The check does not turn up the gun for whatever reason and the officer decides to confiscate the firearm.

Obviously you are not going to physically stop him if that is what he has decided to do but is there anything that you can say to deter him from taking your weapon? And if the weapon is confiscated, what course of action is open to you other than spending more on legal fees than the weapon is worth (i.e., you paid $500 for the gun, you can buy a new one for $600 and to represent you, an attorney is going to charge $700+).

Again, I heard something like this happen to more than one individual and am curious what is the best way to handle the matter to avoid complications? The obvious answer is to not get pulled over in the first place but if that has already happened and the gun is discovered and the officer tells you he is going to confiscate it, what is the best way to handle it? ]]> Sir Knight http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110153-questions-having-gun-confiscated.html just got my ltcf http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110113-just-got-my-ltcf.html Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:17:47 GMT Thanks to Sheriff Denny Nau, I now have my license to carry. Which took 5 minutes to get. Now I am happy and looking for my sig. thanks, just felt... Thanks to Sheriff Denny Nau, I now have my license to carry. Which took 5 minutes to get. Now I am happy and looking for my sig.

thanks, just felt i had to say that. ]]> blysccr http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110113-just-got-my-ltcf.html <![CDATA[CC at My G/f's College]]> http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110095-cc-my-g-fs-college.html Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:42:51 GMT At my g/f's college, the only information in their student handbook relating to firearms states:

Quote:
This misconduct includes, but not limited to possession of firearms or other weapons on college property contrary to law.
This seems like it means if I have a LTCF, I can CC on their campus? ]]> PAFirefighter11 http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110095-cc-my-g-fs-college.html soon to be 21 LTCF question http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110036-soon-21-ltcf-question.html Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:29:28 GMT i will be turning 21 in december and plan on cc when i do, i already own a glock 23 and a ruger lcp and ill be getting a taurus 357 mag soon... i will be turning 21 in december and plan on cc when i do, i already own a glock 23 and a ruger lcp and ill be getting a taurus 357 mag soon (hopefully). i have learned alot from observing and reading this forum so thanks guys. but my question today is can i apply for my LTCF before my 21st birthday so that i can get the permit closer to my birthday rather than waiting till the day of and applying for it then. again thanks for your help guys. ]]> whitejohn http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/110036-soon-21-ltcf-question.html How would I handle getting pulled over with a pistol? http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/109956-how-would-i-handle-getting-pulled-over-pistol.html Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:03:23 GMT In 24 days I will be turning 21 and plan on getting my conceal carry permit as well as a simple 9mm or .45 pistol. Once I have all the proper paper... In 24 days I will be turning 21 and plan on getting my conceal carry permit as well as a simple 9mm or .45 pistol. Once I have all the proper paper work I will carry this with me just about everywhere I drive. However I have heard left and right on the argument of what to do if you get pulled over.

Now I firmly believe and have been told that if pulled over I say "Officer I would like to let you know I have a pistol located on my left hip and in my wallet I have a permit to conceal carry", well okay something along those lines. However a few guys are telling me I keep my mouth shut. What is the best way to take this? I know if they cops finds what I was seeming to hide, I would be in deep shit. But if I tell him he may go beyond his given right as an officer and try to disarm me or take my weapon......so what do I do? ]]> Steve-0 http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/109956-how-would-i-handle-getting-pulled-over-pistol.html Received Utah CFP Today http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/109930-received-utah-cfp-today.html Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:47:33 GMT Took my Utah CFP class in Harrisburg on June 5, sent the application and check on July 5th, check cleared on July 21st, and I received my... Took my Utah CFP class in Harrisburg on June 5,
sent the application and check on July 5th,
check cleared on July 21st,
and I received my permit today, Aug 28th.

54 DAYS.....:D ]]> PRRFan http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/109930-received-utah-cfp-today.html