Is Bicycle considered on foot or in a vehicle?

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by Zef_66

To me it all falls on what the definition of 'vehicle' is. So I looked it up online. And this definition seems to fit the best:

4: a means of carrying or transporting something

The bicycle is transporting you. Just as a skateboard, sled, or truck can be a vehicle. So I would say that if pressed, you could be fined and your gun confiscated. But that is just interpretation and opinion.

SO a horse is a vehicule, some one giving me a piggy back ride is a vehicule?

Im not convinced of this. but never the less, the Vehicule in "Question" here is a car/truck/SUV. NOT motorhome. Although a Motor home is considered a closed vehicule same as a car therfor a concealment, it is also considered a home, or extention of.
See the Vehicule in question here is not open carry because "it becomes a concealment" even though there is glass all around it. For this reason, even a jeep or convertible that may not have this "Glass" all around it is a concealment, but can one say there is glass all around a bike or motorcycle or horse? Or for that matter anyone giving some one a piggy back ride?

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by wayneborngesser

Points taken, apology for ignorant reference, I'm just one of those lifelong contrarians that can't understand licensing a right, thereby making it a priviledge when the supreme law of the state is so crystal clear[ignorant and criminal supreme court ruling notwithstanding]. I'm still under the ignorant delusion that the rule of law applies to all, not just the employers of the government that is meant to serve us. Sorry, didn't mean to offend.

On the positive side of this thread, you are one of the first people who have under 10 posts who did not try to give me a negative rep point for speaking out.
Because if this you just got 4 new positive points

+4
Grant you, at 4 posts, the most harm you can do is a gray rep point, + - 0 But i do apreciate you took the time to re-read what I was posting.

[jsb889]

I was always under the impression that a bicycle is not a vehicle, for the simple fact it is human powered. I had planned on biking and OCing, guess that option is not available under Zef's definition. Anyone have any court rulings to back it up?

If you can, I'd highly recommend getting your LTCF. Just an overall good thing to have if you don't have it

Edit: Frenchy is a nice guy, just a bit odd at times I'd never give him a piggy back ride, for sure!

Welcome to the site

[Zef_66]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

SO a horse is a vehicule, some one giving me a piggy back ride is a vehicule?

Im not convinced of this.

I'm not convinced of this myself. But when dealing with the law and your future to own and carry firearms, I tend not to mess around. I would say all those things are vehicles unless specifically showed that the Commonwealth of PA says otherwise. Just erring on the side of caution here.

I understand what you are saying about the car/truck/etc concealing the gun and I also see how a bike cannot fall under this category. But just to be safe, I would not carry openly unless this issue was specifically worked out.

Edit: Just found this. Not sure how it fits in or how accurate it is, but it says that PA does consider a bicycle a vehicle when operated on a roadway. I assume this is in reference to obeying motor vehicle laws. But still makes things interesting.

[XD45]

Originally Posted by jsb889

I was always under the impression that a bicycle is not a vehicle, for the simple fact it is human powered. I had planned on biking and OCing, guess that option is not available under Zef's definition. Anyone have any court rulings to back it up?

If you can, I'd highly recommend getting your LTCF. Just an overall good thing to have if you don't have it

Edit: Frenchy is a nice guy, just a bit odd at times I'd never give him a piggy back ride, for sure!

Welcome to the site

no need for a court case penn dots website says it clear as day...

http://www.dot.state.pa.us/BIKE/WEB/bikelaws.htm

[Hawk]

I guess no one read my post regarding PA laws and bicycles.

Woe is me...

Hawk,

[XD45]

Originally Posted by Hawk

I guess no one read my post regarding PA laws and bicycles.

Woe is me...

Hawk,

it sometimes takes 3 or 4 or 10 times to get threw to people.. i dont know if they jsut overlook the posts or what....

alot of times you'll see the 3rd post answer the question, but 6pages later people are still asking about it

[Zef_66]

Originally Posted by Hawk

I guess no one read my post regarding PA laws and bicycles.

Woe is me...

Hawk,

I read your post and clicked on the link. But I didn't see anything there that said that a bicycle is considered a vehicle in PA. The link I posted shows how some states differ on the matter if a bicycle is a vehicle. And the link that XD45 posted states exactly "In Pennsylvania, a bicycle is considered a vehicle and, as such, is governed by a general set of rules (common to all vehicles) and a specific set of rules (designed for bicycles)." So not that we didn't believe you, I was just looking for more proof.

[wayneborngesser]

Looks like I have my answer, the tyrants win again. So much for the right to keep and bear arms not being questioned I so much look forward to moving to WY, where the rules are clear and the law is what it says it is[already visited, FREEDOM!] Didn't know I could give points? Interesting concept, grading responses.
Thanks! You are excellent researcher's I'm only a google cowboy.

[c.sander]

nifty how they call them pedacycles instead of bicycles