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This may have been covered before, but I tried searching and did not really find what I was looking for. Just a few posts generally speaking about allowing the officer to take it.


The situation of being disarmed is taboo, I realize that. But in a situation where the LEO insists that he disarm you for "his safety", and you go over the whole "I will comply, but I do not consent" thing... Who should do the handling of the weapon? Should I pull the weapon and unload it (which may not be a good situation, even if the officer says to go ahead), or should I tell the officer to disarm me himself (but make sure he realizes there is one in the chamber)?

I don't want to "draw", and yet I don't want to get shot in the leg either...

I was just wondering what everyone else's opinion on this is. And PLEASE do not turn this into an argument over "allowing disarmament", because that has been beaten to death... The question at hand is, what should you do if the officer demands he disarm you for his safety...
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Undo your belt and have him take the gun "secured in the holster".
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I've never been in that situation and I have no factual backing for this, but I can't imagine a situation in which a LEO is going to let you touch your own weapon if he is "concerned for his safety".
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Well, if it came to that unfortunate/unlikely scenario I would want to make sure the officer was not unduely nervous so to do something inadvertant. (supposedly they are trained not to)

I think I would simply ask, "Do you want me to remove my weapon from the hoslter?".....

I would imagine he/she would issue some kind of direction.
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On the one hand, I'd be very uncomfortable with someone else disarming me, even if it's LEO.
On the other hand, I'd probably be more uncomfortable with drawing a firearm in the presence of a LEO who clearly isn't happy that I have a firearm.

I'd probably request that they allow me to remove my entire holster (or they do it), without drawing the firearm.
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I've never been in that situation and I have no factual backing for this, but I can't imagine a situation in which a LEO is going to let you touch your own weapon if he is "concerned for his safety".
I concur. However, there has been recorded situation even on here where the officer requested the person to remove the gun slowly, etc... which leads me too...

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Well, if it came to that unfortunate/unlikely scenario I would want to make sure the officer was not unduely nervous so to do something inadvertant. (supposedly they are trained not to)

I think I would simply ask, "Do you want me to remove my weapon from the hoslter?".....

I would imagine he/she would issue some kind of direction.
That still would make me uncomfortable though... It's too easy for something to go wrong. And too easy for the LEO to then say I was drawing on him if something hairy did happen... which I guess leads me to what may be the best course of action...

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On the one hand, I'd be very uncomfortable with someone else disarming me, even if it's LEO.
On the other hand, I'd probably be more uncomfortable with drawing a firearm in the presence of a LEO who clearly isn't happy that I have a firearm.

I'd probably request that they allow me to remove my entire holster (or they do it), without drawing the firearm.
I guess this would be most prudent, given the situation. Make sure there are no intentions of a "draw", and no mishandling by the LEO to endanger my life.

Thanks for the responses guys!
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Make certain the LEO knows that there is one in the chamber and that they know how to use the safety!
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You mean their finger?
That's especially why I would want to make sure he doesn't handle it.. I usually carry an XDm... wouldn't want him yanking it out quick without fully knowing, and before I could explain it to him...
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The question at hand is, what should you do if the officer demands he disarm you for his safety...
I think it's pretty simple. Who would you rather handle YOUR firearm?
You (who should be very familiar with it) or some stranger who may have only ever handled one firearm (his service weapon) in his life.

Once disarmed, if the officer wants to unload it, I'd be fine with that as long as he points it away from me. I just don't want him being the one disarming me and ventilating my leg.
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