READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania

[eXceLon]

Originally Posted by secretbard

I thought it was perfectly legal to conceal carry in parks and parkland in PA. Hell, I do it all the time in the Delaware River National Recreation Area.

Originally Posted by Brown-Bear

Wow. I guess I was not legal on my hikes thru Pincho then. I had my .45 in my fanny pack while hiking with my daughter.

I was surprised, and disappointed, reading this. I'm getting into hiking (GeoCaching, actually) and was thinking about carrying in my backpack once I get my license.

Unfortunately this usually takes me to state parks, so I guess that's out.

[ccphilly1984]

Originally Posted by packinasig1781

I read Knigght's thread and thats the info that I understand. If a business dosent want firearms to be carried, cabellas in hamburg for example, they have to clearly post that at the door, and provide a locker to secure your weapon in. otherwise, nothing can be ssaid, and if they do say something, it still isint a crime.

wow... is that a restaurant/bar? they provide weapons checks in that area? much different than around here in bucks county... Most people i know around here think it's against state law to carry in a bar, because many bars post "no firearms" inside or on front of the bar. I usually carry a stun gun in the bar anyway... doesn't turn any faces because it is not even in the shape of a gun... I'd probially get given more crap If i had a pistol or a taser.

[PweShay]

Originally Posted by ccphilly1984

wow... is that a restaurant/bar? they provide weapons checks in that area? much different than around here in bucks county... Most people i know around here think it's against state law to carry in a bar, because many bars post "no firearms" inside or on front of the bar. I usually carry a stun gun in the bar anyway... doesn't turn any faces because it is not even in the shape of a gun... I'd probially get given more crap If i had a pistol or a taser.

Carrying at a bar is the same as carrying in any other business.. It is NOT against the law to carry in a bar.. ALOT of people seem to think it is against the law.. If you really need to know call the attoney general.. My Sheriff told me is was illeagal to have a firearm at my wifes school.. I looked up the law and saw nothing about her school.. Called the Attoney General and they conformed that it is NOT against state law to have a firearm at her school. She is in College by the way.. But high school jr high ECT has a state laws for it.

[goldwing2000]

Hey folks.

Just wanted to say thanks for posting this info. I'm going to be vacationing in PA (from reciprocity-friendly MI) and couldn't find any of this information on either your state po-po's or your attorney general's web site.

I was sad to learn of the state park restrictions but glad that is was pretty much the only one that would affect me, as I don't frequent casinos, schools or gubmint buildings (while on vacation).

If any of you are planning a visit to "the mitten state", drop on by www.migunowners.org and give us a shout!

~Kane
Semper Fi

[studderingdave]

i just got my LTCF last week, and im wondering something.

i work for UPS, can i have my gun in my car when i go to work? i dont intend on bringing it into the warehouse, just have it tucked under my seat.

thanks

[ccphilly1984]

what i don't get is how a few gunshop owners and range assistants insist that open carry is illegal in pa... I don't get it... isn't that time and time again gone over in these forums, as well as every firearms law state? Is it that i'm near philly? do the gunshop owners not want to feel liable if an ignorant LEO decides to lock us up and tries to charge us with horse shit? I don't get it.

[lildobe]

Originally Posted by studderingdave

i work for UPS, can i have my gun in my car when i go to work? i dont intend on bringing it into the warehouse, just have it tucked under my seat.

UPS is *not* the USPS, so it comes down to company policy. It is not *illegal* to have your weapon on their property, however it may be against their policies.

Personally, I'd just get myself one of these: http://www.pafoa.org/forum/general-2...fe-review.html

Keep it secured and don't tell anyone about it. *shrugs*

But remember, if company policy says not even in the parking lot, they can still take disciplinary action against you.

[panther76]

Since there seem to be recurring related questions on this thread, I thought I'd share the following experience:

Years ago, while an undergraduate student at the University of Pittsburgh, a friend of mine and I wrote to Attorney General Mike Fisher’s office asking about the law concerning carrying on campus or at work. I wish I still had it in writing to quote, but I don’t.

The plain English version of what we were told by the AG’s office, in writing, which I carried folded up with my license, was that the university or a private employer could establish whatever policy they wanted, with regard to firearms. However, if one is otherwise lawfully carrying a firearm, and has a lawful reason and permission to be on the property, one is not guilty of any crime, just violating a private policy.

The university or employer could choose to expel or fire you, and ask you to leave. And if you returned you would be guilty of trespassing, regardless of whether you were armed or not. However, you are not guilty of trespassing simply for having a firearm on private property just because the owner prohibits it, even if they post a sign or publish a policy.

Carrying that further, this means a store, for example, could ask you to leave for whatever reason, but you aren’t guilty of anything unless you are actually told to leave, individually and specifically, and you refuse or return.

I am not seeking to offer legal advice, whatsoever. Rather I wish to point out an example of how what you hear from your local gunshop owner, uncle who is a cop, et al. is not necessarily accurate. So if you have any doubts about anything, and want the plain English interpretation of the law, write to the Attorney General's office, and politely ask for written clarification. Under Mike Fisher, at least, they were really good about responding. As far as Tom Corbett goes, I don't know. But it can't hurt to ask. I hope that helps someone.

[Cookster]

Is there a definitive answer to this?. . .

Originally Posted by heyyodaddio

2. Elementary and Secondary schools(K-12 grades), grounds and buildings whether the school is private or public

Another school question...
The church I attend has a private christian school attached. In other words, it's all on the same property. Yes, it is K-12. Can I carry in church? Since this school is a "ministry" of our local church, it it still illegal to carry there during school hours?

Greg

Thanks,

Rob

[panther76]

Originally Posted by Cookster

Is there a definitive answer to this?. . .



Thanks,

Rob

While I don't have a definitive answer and I'm not a lawyer, I know that in reading the actual laws before there is language about being in a "school zone" (as federal law defines it) for lawful purposes ie you live next door, you are driving past, or picking your kids up from school. If you look it up and read the PA LTCF laws I think it mentions language about "secure areas" of schools, that if you are on school grounds for otherwise legitimate purposes, you just can't carry into the "secure area" of the school. My recollection/impression was that a parent, for example, could have a gun in their car with a LTCF, and wait for their kid outside the school, "on school grounds" without breaking the law. The church situation would seem to be a similar scenario. Hope that is helpful.